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At this point I don’t see the value in getting rid of Gasol or Mills unless it frees up cap space to take on bad contracts for young talent or high draft picks. People are just in denial that Spurs are in rebuild mode with or without Hayward.
Did I insinuate that the Spurs would get much of anything for him?
A 2nd rounder and a solid bench guy is good for me if you are returning a message to Kawhi that his ploy was not rewarded, that in fact it was punished in the form of costing him millions of dollars.
And to your other point, there would be no story if the Spurs sent his ass home like Deng. The Lakers put out a statement that he wasn't in their immediate plans as they tried to get their younger players floor time. The Spurs could do the same. He would basically disappear for the first 3 months of the season until the trade deadline. An occasional story could be leaked to the press about potential deals with random teams. What are you going to hear otherwise if Kawhi isn't even at the team facilities? He doesn't talk. And the worst that could happen is the Uncle could say the Spurs aren't keeping them in the loop on potential trade destinations. Waaaaaa!!
The Spurs are going to lose anyway. It's not about being vindictive. Its about sending a signal to Kawhi and future players that going AWOL on the team and stealing $19M has ramifications and repercussions, especially when your strategy was to undercut the trade value and trash the team that reared you.
I think if anyone is being naive here as to what's precipitated all of this and how you respond, it's you.
Unless you get a home run offer, you send a message.
At this point I don’t see the value in getting rid of Gasol or Mills unless it frees up cap space to take on bad contracts for young talent or high draft picks. People are just in denial that Spurs are in rebuild mode with or without Hayward.
If it’s seen as onerous by Boston that benefits San Antonio as it would be a ‘concession’ to take Gordon’s contract off their hands. Ainge from what I’ve read is a deft manager and he’ll need to be convinced they’re getting a great deal themselves.
I badly want to end this Leonard saga asap and I cannot see any situation he positively contributes for this upcoming season, much less re-signs. I’m fearful that the Spurs will run out of viable options to get any real talent in return. The Boston trade would be a relative goldmine and quite possibly a way to keep winning 50+ games for another generation.
The trade offers arent going to get any worse. You’re also acting like that’s a real offer. Ainge has said that Tatum and Brown are off limits.
It also would give the Spurs back the vital SF position. But I don't think Boston does this. Ainge is a butt-hole clenched prick and I think we're overvaluing Kawhi in the market.
Isiah Thomas was off limits until it brought back Kyrie.
I don't buy the Lebron to Philly rumors, I think it's L.A. or back to the Cavs.
Ainge is sitting on an unprecedented collection of assets; Hayward, Irving, Tatum, Horford, Brown, all of their 1st rounder's going forward, plus a likely top 5 and top 14 lottery picks in 2019 from Boston and Memphis, on top of the Clippers lottery protected 2019 pick- if they somehow make the playoffs next season or the season after.
Trading in three of those assets for a player that when healthy is the third best player in the league, and only just turned 27 is why GMs collect assets.
He'll likely keep Tatum off the trading block but Hayward, Brown and the Kings pick are all probably in play, with his absolute best offer probably being all three for Kawhi and Gasol (to make the math work)
The absolute best case for the Spurs right now is that Cleveland can land Kemba and Batum and that is enough for Lebron to give it another go. PG-13 gets cold feet about leaving OKC and Westbrook to play in L.A. and Kawhi is suddenly the only all-star wing on the market with Boston and Philly outbidding each other while L.A. is stuck on the sidelines; knowing that they lost out on Lebron, PG-13 and Kawhi.
Good parts of this I think will happen. I see LeBron as staying if they make a change. I see Paul George as staying. Los Angeles continues to be a far less attractive destination than people assume. I hold a decent chance Kawhi actually resigns with the Spurs once his camp realize what's going on. My hope is that Boston/Philly bidding war happens. Just sent Leonard on his way and get a tidy package for the future.
Hayward is legit good tbh.
22 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1 spg, 47/40/85 FG, 3PT, FTA during the 16-17 season.
High volume 3pt shooter, shoots well from 2pt and gets to the line 6 times a game also a good defender and can create offense. I think he's definitely better than a complementary player and with Aldridge, Murray, and potentially Brown, that could be a really good team
Hayward isn't a complimentary player.
Maybe, if everything that I said holds true, but man that guy is actively burning bridges. , Dwight's exit from Orlando was low-key compared to this. Who's to say in a year after he gets the DPE that he doesn't try this again, the Spurs would be in a much better situation with Kawhi having 4 years remaining on his deal and teams that otherwise wouldn't be looking at acquiring a player like him having assurances that he'll be there for a long time.
The lakers should absolutely try to trade for kawhi, spurs wont do it but lakers should try.
How is this even debatable? Yea he’s la or nothing right now but a year could change that. Look at Paul George He may be staying in okc, spurs were on top of kyries list, but now it seems ny or he’s staying with Boston. Who knows spurs may trade him to philly in a few weeks and he may love it there
the re ed of his uncle is going to negotiate or make money when everyone knows that he is an inept clown, that makes his client lose 80 mill, in which position to do a business with a shoe company when they know that it is so idiot to give this fortune?
https://sports.cbslocal.com/2015/09/...-derrick-rose/
derrick rose signed a contract of 185 million in 13 years, average 14 m per year when he won the mvp. KL has no charisma, he is not lebron or curry, the offer he had from jordan was 5 million a year for four years. A guy who has chronic injury, leaves his teammates who don't believe his injury, lies, cheats, miserable at ude, doesn't have the decency to talk to popovich in private and fix issues, even if he wanted to leave, behave as a professional, be with your teammates in the playoffs and before filtering to the press that you want to go to the lakers, before talking to popovich, say it in private. With his at ude he showed that he is a bad person and a bad professional, he is not a leader.
the red line is not to repeat what cavs did, if there is not a good trade, he stays, and we'll see if uncle denis shows everyone what a great agent he is $$$.
Last edited by spurschamps99030507; 06-24-2018 at 12:50 PM.
It's spelled complementary. And, yes, he is. He's not a number one guy.
Both spellings are correct but apparently in this context complementary is the correct version, who knew?
http://www.future-perfect.co.uk/gram...complementary/
It would be one thing if the Lakers had the assets, but they don't and the Spurs aren't going to gift Kawhi to them so they can go kick rocks.
When you tell someone they look nice, you compliment them. When something is free, it's complimentary.
When a player or thing makes other players or things better, they are complementary.
-Kawhi cheering for his teammates on the bench for most of the season while he's injured
-Players meeting + Parker comments = Kawhi runs off to NY
-Season ends and reports are that Kawhi went to Erin Popovich's funeral, in touch with the Spurs org
-Early offseason reports are that the Spurs/Kawhi relationship heading towards repair
-Woj report that the Spurs won't just offer supermax blindly
-Kawhi's group requests a trade
Damn, so much indecision and flip flopping from Kawhi and his camp tbh. I don't blame the Spurs for waiting it out to see if he changes his mind again. But , let's say they somehow convince him to come back with an extension. I don't doubt him pulling some of this bull again after a few months or so....
Really disappointed in how he's handled himself. I really hope it's mostly Uncle bag but, regardless, Kawhi has a ton of growing up to do...
He’s only pulling this stuff because the contract was on the line. Once that isn’t an issue i don’t think that will be a worry.
You still want this back, D?
I agreed with you.
No i know, I just saw a few people a page back saying lakers shouldnt try to trade since hes coming anyways. I was just saying thinking kawhi to lakers in a year is a done deal is a huge mistake. Watch him traded to philly and Simmons and him become best friends
And you’re wrong on your second point. He was the number one guy in Utah, or do you just not watch the games tbh?
Ignoring your extreme white bias shtick, he led Utah to 1 playoff appearance and they made it just as far the following season without him
He's a nice #3 guy who could pass for better in the correct system(and then get exposed in the playoffs)..he's like a prime Joe Johnson-caliber talent..
He's not a natural #1 at all. Like I said, he's a complementary guy.
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