Spurs trade ideas

[exstatic]

I disagree. I think we all know we're talking about hypothetical scenarios, and if the Spurs are rumored to think they could protect the picks, that suggests they think the Hawks would be willing to deal him. Sort of like we don't know if the Suns will accept 14 for Durant but we're talking about it anyway.

I don’t believe the Durant thing is hypothetical.

[Chinook]

I don’t believe the Durant thing is hypothetical.

That the Suns would take 14 and filler? Yes, that's just speculation, with one dude repeating that speculation as if it's a fact. We actually don't even know that the Spurs are still interested in Durant, as they have fewer ballast contracts and picks than they did at the deadline. Their interest in KD might've ended when they acquired Fox for the financial reasons that scott pointed out.

[Ariel]

I disagree. I think we all know we're talking about hypothetical scenarios, and if the Spurs are rumored to think they could protect the picks, that suggests they think the Hawks would be willing to deal him. Sort of like we don't know if the Suns will accept 14 for Durant but we're talking about it anyway.

I clearly disagree, but I'm not going to debate semantics. I wanted to know if there was something else I was missing and now I know there wasn't, good enough answer for me.

[RC_Drunkford]

That the Suns would take 14 and filler? Yes, that's just speculation, with one dude repeating that speculation as if it's a fact. We actually don't even know that the Spurs are still interested in Durant, as they have fewer ballast contracts and picks than they did at the deadline. Their interest in KD might've ended when they acquired Fox for the financial reasons that scott pointed out.

if you were reading and listening to reports you'd know the Spurs are still interested and the package around #14 is being discussed. These infos come from one of the most reliable sources in Phoenix.

[Bruno]

That's a far cry from Atlanta being willing to trade him for their picks back. I wish, but sounds unlikely unless catastrophe strikes, Memphis/NOLA style.

That's where I read about it:
https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/439...omment-1388247

Spurs would be Hawks picks back but 26 with some protections for 2027 plus 14 and Johnson and Barnes. They have no interest in moving Vassell.

I think this poster is legit. To me, the biggest takeaway from that isn't that there was some talks about JJ, it's that Spurs might want to keep Vassell.

[tbdog]

Isn't Johnson a poor shooter. I know he had a super season and 30mil per year is a great deal. 19+10+5. But 30% and 4 attempts from downtown a game - thats Keldon numbers. Johnson, Castel, Fox, Sochan surrounding Wemby isn't ideal spacing. But boy that is an extremely athletic group.

Johnson is kinda the perfect pf for Wemby though. That rumour indicates to me the Spurs are still shopping for bargains. Johnson contract is a bargain.

[Chinook]

if you were reading and listening to reports you'd know the Spurs are still interested and the package around #14 is being discussed. These infos come from one of the most reliable sources in Phoenix.

Suns fans says Gambo isn't reliable at all. Is it someone else?

[exstatic]

Isn't Johnson a poor shooter. I know he had a super season and 30mil per year is a great deal. 19+10+5. But 30% and 4 attempts from downtown a game - thats Keldon numbers. Johnson, Castel, Fox, Sochan surrounding Wemby isn't ideal spacing. But boy that is an extremely athletic group.

Johnson is kinda the perfect pf for Wemby though. That rumour indicates to me the Spurs are still shopping for bargains. Johnson contract is a bargain.

He shot 35.5% the year before, on a 3 year improvement trend with about the same attempts. You just have to decide which you think is real: 31% or 35%.

[SpursFan86]

Highly doubt there’s interest here and feels like pure speculation, but posting nevertheless. Think I’d throw up if we traded for Jaylen Brown tbh

[RC_Drunkford]

That's where I read about it:
https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/439...omment-1388247


I think this poster is legit. To me, the biggest takeaway from that isn't that there was some talks about JJ, it's that Spurs might want to keep Vassell.

That‘s interesting. Jalen Johnson + Okongwu would also be 45 million. That would most likely cancel out a KD trade. Jalen Johnson and KD could work, as could KD + Okongwu. As I said rumor has it there‘s a Spurs/Suns/Hawks/Nets 4-team deal in the works. If it ever goes through is another story.

[RC_Drunkford]

Suns fans says Gambo isn't reliable at all. Is it someone else?

I haven‘t heard one person say that. Plenty of media members and Suns outlets say that Gambo is plugged in and reliable. He‘s been in the game for 29 years, I doubt he‘s there that long if he’s making up.

[Teamduncan21]

That's where I read about it:
https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/439...omment-1388247


I think this poster is legit. To me, the biggest takeaway from that isn't that there was some talks about JJ, it's that Spurs might want to keep Vassell.

That's like 2 picks and 1 swap for Jalen and mann. Like reverse of dejounte (which we consider as overpay)

Sounds like a lot for Jalen too

[R. DeMurre]

Isn't Johnson a poor shooter. I know he had a super season and 30mil per year is a great deal. 19+10+5. But 30% and 4 attempts from downtown a game - thats Keldon numbers. Johnson, Castel, Fox, Sochan surrounding Wemby isn't ideal spacing. But boy that is an extremely athletic group.

Johnson is kinda the perfect pf for Wemby though. That rumour indicates to me the Spurs are still shopping for bargains. Johnson contract is a bargain.

I don't think he'll ever be a 3pt specialist, but his first two seasons were 23.1% and 28.8%, and his last two were 35.5% and 31.2%, so there's definite improvement. Whether he can make a Lu Dort-like transformation or not is still up in the air, but I don't think it'd be necessary. He's so much better than Keldon in every other area. But I get the concern... at some point the ac ulation of good players who aren't good three point shooters becomes a concern, but I think the Spurs are too early in their transformation to worry about that much.

[Chinook]

I haven‘t heard one person say that. Plenty of media members and Suns outlets say that Gambo is plugged in and reliable. He‘s been in the game for 29 years, I doubt he‘s there that long if he’s making up.

My experience with Suns fans is that they think he's a hack, and they tend not to take him seriously.

[Ice009]

That's where I read about it:
https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/439...omment-1388247


I think this poster is legit. To me, the biggest takeaway from that isn't that there was some talks about JJ, it's that Spurs might want to keep Vassell.

Why would they have no interest in moving Vassell? That's the bit that has me more confused. I'm sure if his contract years were shorter, maybe they'd want to keep him a bit longer to see how it works out, but not sure why they'd want to keep him with the amount of years left on his contract. Are they thinking he's a good value player locked into 4 year contract? Do they think he can thrive in a role as a role player/scorer/defender?

[Ariel]

That's where I read about it:
https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/439...omment-1388247


I think this poster is legit. To me, the biggest takeaway from that isn't that there was some talks about JJ, it's that Spurs might want to keep Vassell.

Thanks. I can't say I put too much stock into it, or even most media reports, really. But it's important to know the source and the exact words, so that everyone can assess for themselves how reliable it is and what the key information is.

In this case, I agree with you. Assuming the source is reliable (I'm very skeptic) my key takeaway would be that Vassell is off the table, then you could also infer the profile of players Spurs are looking to add (young upcoming stars rather than over the hill vets), and lastly, that they have very clear limits on how far they're willing to go (that's a fair, but sensible offer to make from the Spurs POV). I don't think you can say Atlanta is willing to trade Jalen Johnson out of this tidbit, but anyone is free to read this as they wish.

[sfernald]

Why would they have no interest in moving Vassell? That's the bit that has me more confused. I'm sure if his contract years were shorter, maybe they'd want to keep him a bit longer to see how it works out, but not sure why they'd want to keep him with the amount of years left on his contract. Are they thinking he's a good value player locked into 4 year contract? Do they think he can thrive in a role as a role player/scorer/defender?

cause they still think he’s the franchise

[RC_Drunkford]

I guess what Shams said is real: The Spurs are in the hunt of a star wing.

We've heard rumors about Durant, Jalen Johnson and RJ Barrett. Anything is possible at this point.

Why would they have no interest in moving Vassell? That's the bit that has me more confused. I'm sure if his contract years were shorter, maybe they'd want to keep him a bit longer to see how it works out, but not sure why they'd want to keep him with the amount of years left on his contract. Are they thinking he's a good value player locked into 4 year contract? Do they think he can thrive in a role as a role player/scorer/defender?

I actually assume they will try to keep him, even in a KD trade. His contract lines up with Vicor's extension and he had a down season. Devin in an offball role with Fox as a PG could look really good. Problem is that if we add KD and keep him, we'd have to do some serious cap gymnastics. And again, I think trading down from #2 is a real possibility.

[spurraider21]

i dont see jaylen brown happening at all, though i could see brooklyn going after him.

[Seventyniner]

KD is definitely a star. Jalen Johnson is pretty close. RJ Barrett? No.

[DPG21920]

That's where I read about it:
https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/439...omment-1388247


I think this poster is legit. To me, the biggest takeaway from that isn't that there was some talks about JJ, it's that Spurs might want to keep Vassell.

I heard a little chatter otherwise (regarding Vassell). Thats not to say they are looking to shop him but that he has come up a few times. May be a George Hill situation/tactic…..Spurs are about to have 3 guards with Fox/Castle/Harper and Vassell is the odd man out (especially for his money and SA situation) if that comes to pass. So tell teams how you aren’t looking to move him but the other guys are available to drive up value some etc…

[Bruno]

Why would they have no interest in moving Vassell? That's the bit that has me more confused. I'm sure if his contract years were shorter, maybe they'd want to keep him a bit longer to see how it works out, but not sure why they'd want to keep him with the amount of years left on his contract. Are they thinking he's a good value player locked into 4 year contract? Do they think he can thrive in a role as a role player/scorer/defender?

I'm on team "trade Vassell" but I can see why Spurs could want to keep him.

Offensively, he would be a nice fit with next year team. He is at his best as an off the ball player and he is a good shooter.
Defensively, he has the physical tools to be way better than what he was this year. He is a little short to guard some of bigger perimeter players but he is quite strong to compensate.

Vassell has $106M/4 years left on his contract. If Spurs think he can become a good 3&D player, that's a fine contract in the current NBA financial landscape.

[Ariel]

Spurs should definitely look into moving Vassell, his contract is that of an above average starter at the position and if he once again plays below that threshold it'll be hard to move him at his contract. Meanwhile Spurs have better backcourt players and more pressing frontcourt needs which they could address with his salary slot. Unless they're sure his value is going up, they should absolutely be open to the possibility at least.

[dn0774]

I can understand the Spurs not wanting to telegraph to other teams that Vassell isn't part of our future core, we need to keep his perceived value as high as possible. That being said, any GM worth their salt can probably recognize the Spurs absolutely do not want to pay good starter level money ($27m per year) to a guy who is poised to come off the bench going forward.

I do still believe in "theoretical Vassell" becoming a quality starter, just not with the Spurs. He really needed to take a step last year (mostly defensively and maybe some shooting upticks) and that just didn't happen. Some of that not happening was certainly due to not getting a proper training camp/rehabbing his foot injury, but the results are what they are. Castle can't shoot like Devin but everything else Steph does provides more value going forward. I would not be surprised to see Devin get traded and end up thriving in a situation where the depth chart is more favorable to his talents and I would be absolutely happy to see it even if its not with the Spurs.

[mo7888]

I wonder if some of the rumors about a SA/PHX/ BKN/ATL trade might be to send Vassell to Brooklyn for a couple of their mid 20 picks going to Phoenix instead of Devin's salary to really try and save some money?