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    Being Yonivore means never having to back up your bs

    Then writing a paragraph or two to explain why not

    Same old Yonivore

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    What would be the point. You didn’t give them any credence then; why would you start now? I’m satisfied, for the purposes of this forum, just being right and rubbing your nose in it.

    I’ve been associated with this forum since 2001. I’ve long ago given up on changing some minds in here.
    I'm satisfied at everyone laughing at you at being wrong and there's nothing you can do about it.

    Why are you even trying to post information here if you're not trying to win the internets?

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    Yes they are. Now you answer honestly; Did President get the water turned back on, after 17 years of bureaucratic nonsense? On the 8th day of his administration?

    Reporting facts in a way that is complimentary May demonstrate a bias. It doesn’t disqualify the underlying facts.
    "the agency said, the federal government "restarted federal water pumps after they were offline for maintenance for three days," adding: "State water supplies in Southern California remain plentiful."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...r/77989788007/

    Who's telling the truth here?

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    Places that informed me, in early 2020, the COVID Virus resulted from a leak at the Wuhan Ins ute of Virology.
    Places that informed me, beginning early in his presidency, President Biden had a cognitive issue.
    Places that informed me the Hunter Biden laptop wasn't Russian disinformation and that the 51 Intelligence officials that swung 17% of the Democratic vote were a bunch of liars.

    Those places, Chump. You should expand your inventory of news stories and, maybe, start avoiding those that worked feverishly to hide and lie about these and other facts of the day...

    Just a suggestion but, you do you boo...
    Like where?

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    https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/01/27/he...ifornia-water/

    There's a list of facts/ quotes from actual experts here on the situation. I believe them over Trump proclaiming he went God mode and poof, watered appeared.

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    Yonivores are very gullible

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    And what was actually on Hunter's laptop?

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    https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/01/27/he...ifornia-water/

    There's a list of facts/ quotes from actual experts here on the situation. I believe them over Trump…
    I know you do. Never mind the homeowner witnesses and fire fighters that tried fighting the fires when the hydrants were dry.

    …proclaiming he went God mode and poof, watered appeared.
    Not what the article was about but, reading is fundamental.

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    8 days. It took him 8 days to (possibly) turn California into a Red state. Only time will tell, I suppose.

    And on the Eighth Day, Trump Said Let There Be Water. And Californians Saw That It Was Good.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...certain-areas/

    As a resident of Southern California this is great news.

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    Yoni still pretending the Santa Ynez reservoir would have saved all the houses.

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    I know you do. Never mind the homeowner witnesses and fire fighters that tried fighting the fires when the hydrants were dry.
    Already been explained ad nauseum on this board but post a link to what you're referring to.

    Not what the article was about but, reading is fundamental.
    2nd paragraph in your article:

    "..Thanks to the stroke of a pen, and the force of the United States military, California's man-made drought is over. Donald Trump has begun the free flow of water through the spine of the Golden State for the first time in 17 years...."

    Also in question is the military showing up

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    https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...certain-areas/

    As a resident of Southern California this is great news.
    As a trump anything he says is great news

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    As a trump anything he says is great news
    Explain how this isn't great news for farmers in Central Valley and Southern California.

    Sec. 2. Overriding Disastrous California Policies. (a) The Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Secretary of Commerce, the Secretary of the Interior, and the Secretary of Agriculture shall expeditiously take all measures, consistent with all applicable authorities, to ensure adequate water resources in Southern California. Each shall report to me within 15 days on all authorities, including emergency authorities, available to ensure, require, maintain, or use infrastructure necessary to fight and prevent massive wildfires in Southern California.

    (b) In particular, the Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Commerce shall immediately take actions to override existing activities that unduly burden efforts to maximize water deliveries. The Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Commerce shall consider actions including those consistent with the “No Action Alternative” in the Final Environmental Impact Statement issued November 15, 2024, by the Bureau of Reclamation on Long-term Operation of the Central Valley Project and State Water Project.

    (c) The Secretary of the Interior, including through the Bureau of Reclamation, shall utilize his discretion to operate the CVP to deliver more water and produce additional hydropower, including by increasing storage and conveyance, and jointly operating federal and state facilities, to high-need communities, notwithstanding any contrary State or local laws. The Bureau of Reclamation shall take all available measures to ensure that State agencies — including the California Department of Water Resources — do not interfere with the Bureau of Reclamation’s operation of the project to maximize water delivery to high-need communities or otherwise, including but not limited to the issuance of a new Record of Decision maximizing water deliveries and consistent with the 2020 Record of Decision.

    (d) In accordance with section 6 of the Executive Order of January 20, 2025 (Declaring a National Energy Emergency), the Secretary of the Interior, through the Bureau of Reclamation, and in accordance with section 1536 of le 16 United States Code, shall expedite action related to any exemption under the Endangered Species Act of 1973 (ESA), 16 U.S.C. 1531 et seq., for the Long-Term Operation of the CVP and the State Water Project for all applicable threatened and endangered species.

    (e) The Secretary of the Interior shall promptly review, revise, or rescind any regulations or procedures specific to implementation of section 1536 of le 16 United States Code, as needed and consistent with applicable law, to conform with the plain meaning of the statute.

    (f) The Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Commerce shall identify all ongoing or potential major water-supply and storage projects within the State of California for which they have joint responsibility under the ESA or individual responsibilities under the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 (NEPA), 42 U.S.C. 4321 et seq.

    (g) For each such project identified under subsection (f), the Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Commerce shall each designate one federal official to coordinate each agency’s respective NEPA and ESA compliance responsibilities. Within 30 days from the date of this order, each designated official shall identify any regulatory hurdles that unduly burden each respective water project, identify any recent changes in state or Federal law that may impact such projects from a regulatory perspective (including Public Law 118-5), and shall develop a proposed plan, for review by the Secretaries, to appropriately suspend, revise, or rescind any regulations or procedures that unduly burden such projects and are not necessary to protect the public interest or otherwise comply with the law. In so doing, each designated federal official will coordinate and share all appropriate information that will enable improved efficiencies. For the purposes of this order, “unduly burden” means to unnecessarily obstruct, delay, curtail, impede or otherwise impose significant costs on the permitting, utilization, transmission, delivery, or supply of water resources and water infrastructure.

    Sec. 3. Ending the Subsidization of California’s Mismanagement. (a) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) shall review all Federal programs, projects, and activities for all relevant agencies that impact land management, water availability, water supply, water storage and delivery, water infrastructure, and disaster preparedness and response.

    (b) Within 30 days of the date of this order, to ensure that State and local jurisdictions promote sensible land management practices and reliable water supply for all Americans, the Secretary of the Interior, the Secretary of Agriculture, and the Secretary of Commerce shall jointly report to the President, through the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy and Assistant to the President for Economic Policy, regarding California State and local policies or practices inconsistent with sound disaster prevention and response.

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    Yoni still pretending the Santa Ynez reservoir would have saved all the houses.
    No one is claiming it would have saved all the houses in Pacific Palisades, but to write it off an empty 117 million gallon reservoir in the heart of the fire as if it would have not helped save houses is completely ignorant.

    Remember when you said that reservoir would not have done anything to keep hydrants from going dry?

    This reservoir was built to save Pacific Palisades. It was empty when the flames came.
    https://www.latimes.com/california/s...pty-for-a-year

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    No one is claiming it would have saved all the houses in Pacific Palisades, but to write it off an empty 117 million gallon reservoir in the heart of the fire as if it would have not helped save houses is completely ignorant.

    Remember when you said that reservoir would not have done anything to keep hydrants from going dry?

    This reservoir was built to save Pacific Palisades. It was empty when the flames came.
    https://www.latimes.com/california/s...pty-for-a-year
    Would have put it off for a few hours maybe.

    Still needed to be repaired.

    Now what?

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    Don't know if you trust NPR but, there's this:

    'The hydrants up here are dead.' Radio traffic shows how LA firefighters lost water

    Water to put out the fires has been scarce. NPR's investigations team transcribed and analyzed more than 2,000 hours of communications from 13 audio feeds streaming LA city and county first responder channels. The feeds were downloaded from Broadcastify.com, a live audio streaming platform. The audio messages chronicle how firefighters first noticed hydrants going dry and how they responded to the emergency with depleted resources.

    ust eight hours after that initial call alerting others to the beginnings of a brush fire on the ridgeline, at around 6 p.m., a firefighter in Pacific Palisades mentioned there was a problem with the water.

    "If you can get ahold of any sort of public works or DWP (Los Angeles Department of Water and Power) our folks are starting to report that they're running out of water in the hydrant system," he said.

    The firefighter said he was radioing from a point near Radcliffe Avenue, no more than a mile from the beach. A dispatcher jumped in to confirm people were trying to fix the problem.

    "Copy that, it's being worked on," he responded.

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    1930’s Germany all over again...but with a more stupid population and an indoctrinated cult…

    what the could possibly go wrong?

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    From your article:

    Los Angeles city officials have said the urban system was never designed for wildfires like Palisades or Eaton; It was designed for smaller problems, like house fires.


    The whole system would have to be redesigned, probably with a lot more storage tanks just sitting there most of the time. Maybe that's what will happen.

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    From your article:

    Los Angeles city officials have said the urban system was never designed for wildfires like Palisades or Eaton; It was designed for smaller problems, like house fires.


    The whole system would have to be redesigned, probably with a lot more storage tanks just sitting there most of the time. Maybe that's what will happen.
    Maybe that's what should have already happened. Los Angeles has been warned for decades such a fire was inevitable if they didn't make some changes or beef up infrastructure. DEI hires were more important than putting out fires.

    And, pretending that ending 17 years of water mismanagement is a bad thing, is just idiotic. Maybe they'll refill Tulare Lake next.

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    Explain how this isn't great news for farmers in Central Valley and Southern California.

    Sec. 2. Overriding Disastrous California Policies. (a) The Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Secretary of Commerce, the Secretary of the Interior, and the Secretary of Agriculture shall expeditiously take all measures, consistent with all applicable authorities, to ensure adequate water resources in Southern California. Each shall report to me within 15 days on all authorities, including emergency authorities, available to ensure, require, maintain, or use infrastructure necessary to fight and prevent massive wildfires in Southern California.

    (b) In particular, the Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Commerce shall immediately take actions to override existing activities that unduly burden efforts to maximize water deliveries. The Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Commerce shall consider actions including those consistent with the “No Action Alternative” in the Final Environmental Impact Statement issued November 15, 2024, by the Bureau of Reclamation on Long-term Operation of the Central Valley Project and State Water Project.

    (c) The Secretary of the Interior, including through the Bureau of Reclamation, shall utilize his discretion to operate the CVP to deliver more water and produce additional hydropower, including by increasing storage and conveyance, and jointly operating federal and state facilities, to high-need communities, notwithstanding any contrary State or local laws. The Bureau of Reclamation shall take all available measures to ensure that State agencies — including the California Department of Water Resources — do not interfere with the Bureau of Reclamation’s operation of the project to maximize water delivery to high-need communities or otherwise, including but not limited to the issuance of a new Record of Decision maximizing water deliveries and consistent with the 2020 Record of Decision.

    (d) In accordance with section 6 of the Executive Order of January 20, 2025 (Declaring a National Energy Emergency), the Secretary of the Interior, through the Bureau of Reclamation, and in accordance with section 1536 of le 16 United States Code, shall expedite action related to any exemption under the Endangered Species Act of 1973 (ESA), 16 U.S.C. 1531 et seq., for the Long-Term Operation of the CVP and the State Water Project for all applicable threatened and endangered species.

    (e) The Secretary of the Interior shall promptly review, revise, or rescind any regulations or procedures specific to implementation of section 1536 of le 16 United States Code, as needed and consistent with applicable law, to conform with the plain meaning of the statute.

    (f) The Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Commerce shall identify all ongoing or potential major water-supply and storage projects within the State of California for which they have joint responsibility under the ESA or individual responsibilities under the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 (NEPA), 42 U.S.C. 4321 et seq.

    (g) For each such project identified under subsection (f), the Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Commerce shall each designate one federal official to coordinate each agency’s respective NEPA and ESA compliance responsibilities. Within 30 days from the date of this order, each designated official shall identify any regulatory hurdles that unduly burden each respective water project, identify any recent changes in state or Federal law that may impact such projects from a regulatory perspective (including Public Law 118-5), and shall develop a proposed plan, for review by the Secretaries, to appropriately suspend, revise, or rescind any regulations or procedures that unduly burden such projects and are not necessary to protect the public interest or otherwise comply with the law. In so doing, each designated federal official will coordinate and share all appropriate information that will enable improved efficiencies. For the purposes of this order, “unduly burden” means to unnecessarily obstruct, delay, curtail, impede or otherwise impose significant costs on the permitting, utilization, transmission, delivery, or supply of water resources and water infrastructure.

    Sec. 3. Ending the Subsidization of California’s Mismanagement. (a) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) shall review all Federal programs, projects, and activities for all relevant agencies that impact land management, water availability, water supply, water storage and delivery, water infrastructure, and disaster preparedness and response.

    (b) Within 30 days of the date of this order, to ensure that State and local jurisdictions promote sensible land management practices and reliable water supply for all Americans, the Secretary of the Interior, the Secretary of Agriculture, and the Secretary of Commerce shall jointly report to the President, through the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy and Assistant to the President for Economic Policy, regarding California State and local policies or practices inconsistent with sound disaster prevention and response.
    I never said it was bad news. I'm saying he's taking credit for something that was already gonna happen. You guys are so gullible and pathetic.

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    Yoni still pretending the Santa Ynez reservoir would have saved all the houses.
    Well, if you read the NPR article, it suggest that had their been water at the beginning, when the fire was small - it wouldn't have spread to more than 40,000 acres. So, yes; and it's not pretense, Santa Ynez reservoir - had it been full - probably would have saved the Palisades. We'll never know.

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    I never said it was bad news. I'm saying he's taking credit for something that was already gonna happen. You guys are so gullible and pathetic.
    Everything is the executive order I just linked was already going to happen? You're so blinded by your hatred of Trump that you immediately jump on it trying to tear it down and you make yourself look like a fool time and time again.

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    Well, if you read the NPR article, it suggest that had their been water at the beginning, when the fire was small - it wouldn't have spread to more than 40,000 acres. So, yes; and it's not pretense, Santa Ynez reservoir - had it been full - probably would have saved the Palisades. We'll never know.
    There was no stopping that fire with the Santa Ana's blowing like they were but the reservoir being full would have helped to save houses. The LAFD was unprepared, understaffed, and underfunded...and this was all well known and went unaddressed.

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    Maybe that's what should have already happened. Los Angeles has been warned for decades such a fire was inevitable if they didn't make some changes or beef up infrastructure. DEI hires were more important than putting out fires.

    And, pretending that ending 17 years of water mismanagement is a bad thing, is just idiotic. Maybe they'll refill Tulare Lake next.
    Big government is the answer, eh?

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    I never said it was bad news. I'm saying he's taking credit for something that was already gonna happen. You guys are so gullible and pathetic.
    When was it going to happen, Blake? When were the residents of Western North Carolina going to be moved from tents (in the dead of Winter) to fully furnished apartments? When was the City of Los Angeles going to allow residents to start cleaning up and securing permits to begin rebuilding?

    Biden's had 4 months to help hurricane Helene victims.

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