Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

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We drafted Murray in the first round, and in his second year, he’s already All D. That’s worth WAY more than a pair of seconds.

Only the Magic and Suns really need a PG though and the latter is trying to take a relatively significant step forward next season, which likely means a more proven option. That depresses the market.

Murray also has virtually no offensive skillset whatsoever, which is obviously the most important aspect of his position. Payton, a superior offensive player, only went for the 41st pick. He's 2 years older and was expiring, but could have been an RFA (Suns won't qualify him).

[Mr. Body]

Only the Magic and Suns really need a PG though and the latter is trying to take a relatively significant step forward next season, which likely means a more proven option. That depresses the market.

Murray also has virtually no offensive skillset whatsoever, which is obviously the most important aspect of his position. Payton, a superior offensive player, only went for the 41st pick. He's 2 years older and was expiring, but could have been an RFA (Suns won't qualify him).

Murray has far more promise at this point than Payton, who is erratic and doesn't show the same work ethic. Murray will develop a shot.

[spursreport]

Now Spurs fans want to deal Murray, who would now be a senior in college! Good grief this fanbase is getting ing dumber and dumber each day. I pray so badly Kawhi stays a spur this year just to see all the Spurs fans who threw their re ed “pride factor” in get back on their sucking loving knees again for #2.

[K...]

Now Spurs fans want to deal Murray, who would now be a senior in college! Good grief this fanbase is getting ing dumber and dumber each day. I pray so badly Kawhi stays a spur this year just to see all the Spurs fans who threw their re ed “pride factor” in get back on their sucking loving knees again for #2.

This assume we get fultz and fultz blows us away, or white locks down starting pg. Basically with Lonnie Walker having the presumptuous position as a full time two, white, Murray and fultz is a bit much. Murray has a high ceiling which is why his trade value is high. It's about fit for the Spurs.

[tbdog]

Only the Magic and Suns really need a PG though and the latter is trying to take a relatively significant step forward next season, which likely means a more proven option. That depresses the market.

Murray also has virtually no offensive skillset whatsoever, which is obviously the most important aspect of his position. Payton, a superior offensive player, only went for the 41st pick. He's 2 years older and was expiring, but could have been an RFA (Suns won't qualify him).

Payton is one of the worst defenders in the league. Murray is already one of the best pg defenders in the league. Do you know why Scott Skiles resigned from the Magic, despite having the best record since Van Gundy days? It was because he told the now fired GM, that he couldn't build an offense or defense with Payton in it. The GM said he had to play him because Payton was going to be their future. Skiles then resigned. Payton is much worse than Murray. Murray has offensive issues, but so did Tony Allen, and he became a steady playoff rotational player. I think Murray has a higher ceiling.

[TD 21]

Murray has far more promise at this point than Payton, who is erratic and doesn't show the same work ethic. Murray will develop a shot.

I don't know if he has "far more promise", but either way that's probably his worth on the trade market.

Fultz is far more skilled offensively and if he's acquired, they need to clear a path to at least 30 mpg immediately. They'll also want a veteran backup to play the mentor roll to him, White and Walker. They don't need ego or chemistry problems to surface because of a logjam.

Payton is one of the worst defenders in the league. Murray is already one of the best pg defenders in the league. Do you know why Scott Skiles resigned from the Magic, despite having the best record since Van Gundy days? It was because he told the now fired GM, that he couldn't build an offense or defense with Payton in it. The GM said he had to play him because Payton was going to be their future. Skiles then resigned. Payton is much worse than Murray. Murray has offensive issues, but so did Tony Allen, and he became a steady playoff rotational player. I think Murray has a higher ceiling.

Offense is far more important than defense/rebounding at PG. Anyway, it's not about who has more potential between the two. It's about the lack of a market for PGs and the need to clear a logjam.

Spurs could have their own picks (say 15-20 and 45-50) and 2 Magic 2nds (possibly both in 30s) in '19, giving them the flexibility to package them for a late 1st or combine one or both with their own 1st and move up.

[weebo]

Now Spurs fans want to deal Murray, who would now be a senior in college! Good grief this fanbase is getting ing dumber and dumber each day. I pray so badly Kawhi stays a spur this year just to see all the Spurs fans who threw their re ed “pride factor” in get back on their sucking loving knees again for #2.

Its a sports message board, relax. People come here to debate, troll, vent, etc...If everyone agreed to everything it would get boring quick.

[BatManu20]

I don't know if he has "far more promise", but either way that's probably his worth on the trade market.

Fultz is far more skilled offensively and if he's acquired, they need to clear a path to at least 30 mpg immediately. They'll also want a veteran backup to play the mentor roll to him, White and Walker. They don't need ego or chemistry problems to surface because of a logjam.

Tony being re-signed confirmed.

[tbdog]

I don't want to give up Murray so quickly. Cory Joseph for example really starting becoming his own in year 3 and 4. That's where Murray is now and is already ahead of the curb there. I'm expecting big jumps over the next 2 years. And his is on a dirt cheap contract, 1.5, 2.3, 3.4QO. Compared to Fulz 8.3, 9.7, 12.2, 15.9QO.

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Now Spurs fans want to deal Murray, who would now be a senior in college! Good grief this fanbase is getting ing dumber and dumber each day. I pray so badly Kawhi stays a spur this year just to see all the Spurs fans who threw their re ed “pride factor” in get back on their sucking loving knees again for #2.

I'm with you on Murray. Kawhrisis can kiss my ass, though. And there's ZERO chance I'll ever like him as a Spur again. I'll root him on if he somehow stays, but only because I'm a Spurs fan, not a playerfan.

[Spurs da champs]

I'm with you on Murray. Kawhrisis can kiss my ass, though. And there's ZERO chance I'll ever like him as a Spur again. I'll root him on if he somehow stays, but only because I'm a Spurs fan, not a playerfan.

Understandable. I've felt the same way about Parker for years.

[RD2191]

Understandable. I've felt the same way about Parker for years.

[JPB]

Now Spurs fans want to deal Murray, who would now be a senior in college! Good grief this fanbase is getting ing dumber and dumber each day. I pray so badly Kawhi stays a spur this year just to see all the Spurs fans who threw their re ed “pride factor” in get back on their sucking loving knees again for #2.

Probably the most fascinating display of projection I've seen in while...

Tell me who is on his loving knees right now "so badly praying" and sucking his #2's ?

Tell me who is dumb and re ed not to see the irony of his own ridiculous, childish rant.

What we can all agree is that yes, you definitely have no pride, or ing clue if you really think everyone is a weak beta fanboi ready to clap and cheer for someone who pulled the Kawhard pulled before saying he wants to play in LA then be ready to give him one ounce of respect.

Go back to badly praying now and please let this board to real spurs fans, dumber than dumb.

[K...]

I don't want to give up Murray so quickly. Cory Joseph for example really starting becoming his own in year 3 and 4. That's where Murray is now and is already ahead of the curb there. I'm expecting big jumps over the next 2 years. And his is on a dirt cheap contract, 1.5, 2.3, 3.4QO. Compared to Fulz 8.3, 9.7, 12.2, 15.9QO.

But the status qou is 12 million to stunt both players. So either you say no to fultz, or trade Murray. Your argument for him is why he'd get a good return which could lead to a higher upside at a position of need. The Spurs need a star, not a specialist. And Tony Allen may not be the same value in the current league

[objective]

Fultz is such a headcase right now that he's not going to be at summer league. They are straight up afraid he'll go back in his depressed funk s if he gets on the court again.

You guys really want a guy whose own team is terrified of the permanent damage he'd do to himself with 5 exhibition games?

And has 'Uncle' issues if his own as laid out by Mrs Colangelo?

Another player who missed a whole season with a fake injury that the team had to pretend was serious to give him cover?

[exstatic]

But the status qou is 12 million to stunt both players. So either you say no to fultz, or trade Murray. Your argument for him is why he'd get a good return which could lead to a higher upside at a position of need. The Spurs need a star, not a specialist. And Tony Allen may not be the same value in the current league

We need stars and specialists.

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Fultz is such a headcase right now that he's not going to be at summer league. They are straight up afraid he'll go back in his depressed funk s if he gets on the court again.

You guys really want a guy whose own team is terrified of the permanent damage he'd do to himself with 5 exhibition games?

And has 'Uncle' issues if his own as laid out by Mrs Colangelo?

Another player who missed a whole season with a fake injury that the team had to pretend was serious to give him cover?

You just convinced me I don't want anything to do with the kid. Feel sorry for him, but do not want. Hope he figures out though, for his sake.

[K...]

We need stars and specialists.

but we need a backup SF more? IT's all about tradeoffs.

[acoelho1]

No way I give up Murray. The guy has star potential even with his offensive limitations. I’m expecting a jump in his offensive game this year.

[Twisted_Dawg]

You just convinced me I don't want anything to do with the kid. Feel sorry for him, but do not want. Hope he figures out though, for his sake.

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[exstatic]

but we need a backup SF more? IT's all about tradeoffs.

You think you’ll pull a decent SF with second rounders? You wait, and maybe ainge sees his glut of wings and dearth of affordable PGs. Smart wants 10-12M to be a backup. Kyrie may leave.

[K...]

You think you’ll pull a decent SF with second rounders? You wait, and maybe ainge sees his glut of wings and dearth of affordable PGs. Smart wants 10-12M to be a backup. Kyrie may leave.

I think Murray gets a good first rounder fwiw. I think a few teams want him and the spurs know his value as trade bait. Since we used our 18 pick,Murray is our best asset. It would be malpractice for the spurs not to know his value and everyone other than lma or walker is trade bait this season.

[BackHome]

Murray will be better yet I don't mind looking at trade value but you better be getting a proven player or a top ten draft pick to give up on him. I think the 3 new guards we have White, Walker, Murray can play together at least two of them and I think they each bring something that the teams needs.

We need to keep them as after the next season no Manu, and no Green so will be thin at guard again.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Fultz is such a headcase right now that he's not going to be at summer league. They are straight up afraid he'll go back in his depressed funk s if he gets on the court again.

You guys really want a guy whose own team is terrified of the permanent damage he'd do to himself with 5 exhibition games?

And has 'Uncle' issues if his own as laid out by Mrs Colangelo?

Another player who missed a whole season with a fake injury that the team had to pretend was serious to give him cover?

Absolutely!

It's funny how journos pretend like Fultz can be a focal point in a trade for a star when they're desperately trying to get rid of him. They'll prob not even pick his 3rd year option, he's damaged.Their only chance is to find an idiotic FO that'd trade something, anything for him so they'd shed his salary and create a max slot.

[cutewizard]

Cant the Spurs emulate Boston??