They've pissed him off over money the past few years, so I wouldn't be surprised. he's sacrificed for them and they've not given him anything in return.
I hope he leaves, although Denver makes no sense as the place to go given their glut of SGs. I guess he'll play 3?
Doesn't make basketball sense for Denver, however, I guess they want a name and Wade is the best they can get, so this signing would generate some buzz around. Wonder what they'll be doing with their 3 young SGs, all of which are intriguing. They also have Will Barton. Nurkic and Lauvergne are also nice players. Denver will be making deals if they manage to sign Wade.
You follow some random guy named jkemp or did someone you follow retweet him?
All right, so I think this is how the team is going to go into tomorrow as far as cap space:
Note: LJC and Murray would sign at the end. Prior to that, the team would have like $100k left in cap space.
Player Salary/Hold LaMarcus Aldridge $20,575,005 Kawhi Leonard $17,638,063 Tony Parker $14,445,313 Pau Gasol $14,131,586 Danny Green $10,000,000 Manu Ginobili $4,410,945 Patty Mills $3,578,948 Tim Duncan $2,131,250 Davis Bertans $1,578,105 Boban Marjanovic $1,500,000 Kyle Anderson $1,192,080 Livio Jean-Charles $1,188,840 Dejounte Murray $1,180,080 Jonathan Simmons $874,636 Total $94,424,851 Remaining Cap Space -$281,851
That leaves two open roster spots and pretty much nothing besides the room exception. The Spurs could free up considerable cap space by doing the following things: 1) Having Manu agree to use the room exception. If this happens, that's $4.4 Million back in play. 2) Have Duncan agree to retire without taking his salary. That's $2.1 Million more. 3) Let Boban walk. Unless Marjanovic wants to sign the QO, the team is going to be forced into doing this anyway. There's just no room anymore if he doesn't take the room exception or if 1) or 2) doesn't happen. Doing all three of these gets them $7.6 Million in cap space, and if Manu walks away and Bertans takes the room exception (not ideal at all), then the team would be closer to $9 Million, which is still enough to buy something in this market.
Honestly, looking at this, this doesn't seem like the plan. Everything fits in nearly perfectly right now that I do think there's a good chance it stays this way. The team has almost no ability to give Boban a contract, and if he goes, then I think they're shopping the room exception as a means of getting his replacement. Here's is what the depth chart looks like:
Parker, Mills, winner of the Forbes/Arcidiacono/possibly Hanlan compe ion
Green, Ginobili, Murray
Leonard, Simmons, Bertans
Aldridge, Anderson, LJC
Gasol, Boban/RE big, min big
That bench has some weaknesses but also a lot of potential. You know I'd like to see a center with some pop if Boban leaves, but for the min big, I actually think an undersized guy who's strong enough to fill in at the five but also mobile enough to be an emergency four works the best for that final slot. Reed is a good idea here. I could see Manu getting something close to $10 Million this year (and yes, ew), so we're looking at something between $102-106 Million for the team's overall cap hit. Here's a heavily projected list:
Player Salary/Hold LaMarcus Aldridge $20,575,005 Kawhi Leonard $17,638,063 Tony Parker $14,445,313 Pau Gasol $14,131,586 Danny Green $10,000,000 Manu Ginobili $10,000,000 Patty Mills $3,578,948 Room Exception $2,898,000 Tim Duncan (Stretch) $2,131,250 Davis Bertans $1,578,105 Kyle Anderson $1,192,080 Livio Jean-Charles $1,188,840 Dejounte Murray $1,180,080 Willie Reed $874,636 Jonathan Simmons $874,636 Bryn Forbes $543,471 Total $102,830,013 Remaining Cap Space -$8,687,013
The team would be able to offer Reed $1.6 Million in salary for the first season, though that's only if they get a deal signed tomorrow. Hopefully (like REALLY hopefully) Dedmon accepts the room exception. Would be a fantastic bench if that happened. Unfortunately, the timing is going to be all screwed up with Tim not yet retiring and with them not even having deals struck for some of these guys.
Are there reports that say the spurs are actually interested in dedmon?
^^ Thanks for that Chinook. We don't know yet about Boban and Manu but it does seem like it's an either or situation right? I think Spurs will do whatever they must to pay Manu what he's worth in this market but accounting for all his rest and maintenance schedule. They traded Boris partly for that so Pop is not about to lose Manu.
The market for Boban is unknown. What about that exception he could have? The Arenas rule? I don't know much about either Dedmon or Reed. I'd really like Boban back.
It's really about Tim. They'll have to decide tomorrow if they want to keep Tim's salary or Manu's hold and Boban's QO. Gasol can give then time by agreeing to hold off on his deal, but probably not much. Once that decision is made, the team can wait a good deal longer to see if Boban can be kept for the room exception. It would be nice to know tomorrow, though, as the extra million bucks may help secure a better sixth big.
Nope. But that doesn't matter.
^ why doesnt it matter?
what are the chances he signs with the spurs
Replace Borrousis with Boban and we're good to go, that's a nice 2nd unit and 3rd
Because if it's not him, it will be someone like him.^ why doesnt it matter?
what are the chances he signs with the spurs
Thanks that answers my question. I have no idea about Milutinov but he's out there too. The rookies are also expecting to sign to be able to play soon. Murray may have tweeted about wanting to play just bc he's an excitable kid and not have a clue. Thanks for the roster layout too.. I now understand the significance of the Tim issue.
GSH speculation persuaded me maybe they are trying to do something about his contract (dump it somewhere if he's retiring but if he doesn't know...) interesting.
how would Manu get $10 million?
I was recently under the impression that the Spurs renounced him to fit Aldridge and used the room exception on him? Wouldn't that mean he lost his bird rights after the renouncement?
I personally don't know (since I've never seen him play) but a couple of Euro watchers over here say Borrousis is a lot better than Boban. I've no idea what it will cost to get him though.Replace Borrousis with Boban and we're good to go, that's a nice 2nd unit and 3rd
Always like these detailed posts you do. Keep up the great work.
Excellent stuff, thanks for the DETAILED breakdown!
Bird rights are year-to-year things. That Manu was renounced last season has no effect on his status now. The team regained his Bird rights as soon as he re-signed his contract.
But why are you penciling him at 10 million? I'm even confused with that.
I understand his agent made the typical agent quote regarding trying to get the most for Manu, but knowing Manu too -- you'd have to think they'd meet somewhere in the middle between Manu doing whats best for the team, and Manu getting more than the minimum, no?
10 million sounds steep.
I'm not sure anyone loves Manu more than I do, but 10 million sounds like highway robbery, tbh.
Well in a world where Tyler Johnson and Eric Gordon are getting $12+ mil...I'm not sure anyone loves Manu more than I do, but 10 million sounds like highway robbery, tbh.
Manu is turning 40 next year.
Those guys are 24, and 27 -- of course they deserve bigger contracts. Age is a very relevant variable when teams determine value with the deals they offer.
Manu is coming back for money ? Dont think soI'm not sure anyone loves Manu more than I do, but 10 million sounds like highway robbery, tbh.
I'm sure that's what's motivating Manu's agent to say the he's saying. And if the Spurs had a lot of cap room and were throwing it at ty players I'd say to give Manu 20 a year. But that's not really the case, and the Spurs have a window to win a le, so if Manu wants to go to Denver, I'm sure they have a big check for him. He can come back and sit next to David Robinson for the playoffs.
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