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    After the combine this is my board. I put every player I could find on the board just for reference but I haven’t watched many of the draft and stash/ two way prospects so I’m still sorting through those guys but the top 85 or so I feel solid about.


    Here is how I tier my board



    • Generational Talent- a rare player that can be MVP caliber, carry a franchise to championships and is a surefire hall of famer. Goats
    • Franchise player- player that can be the foundational piece for an NBA franchise
    • All-Star- player that if they reach their ceiling can be a top player in the league and multi-time all-Star
    • Starter- a player that can come in and start and/or develop into a high-end starter.
    • Project- a player that has high upside that could develop anywhere from franchise player to high end starter, to bench role player.
    • Role player- a player that could be a bench role player or even a low end starter in the NBA
    • Developmental- a player that needs to develop and has a wide range of outcomes but doesn’t have high level potential
    • Draft and stash- a player that needs to develop and is a candidate to be stashed in another league. Wide range of outcomes and potential is unknown
    • Two way- a player that may not be good enough to get drafted but does because he will agree to a two-way nba contract. Summer league/Gleague/international league candidates that are training camp bodies



    Sometimes projects and draft/stash prospects can get intertwined into other tiers


    Tier 1- Generational Talent
    Not available


    Tier 2 Franchise Player

    • Cooper Flagg - franchise potential



    Tier 3 All-Star potential

    • Dylan Harper - all-star potential
    • Tre Johnson - all-star potential
    • VJ Edgecombe - all-star potential
    • Derik Queen - all-star potential
    • Kasparas Jakucionis- all-star potential
    • Ace Bailey - all-star potential



    Tier 4 Starter potential

    • Cedric Coward- starter potential
    • Thomas Sorber- starter potential
    • Khaman Maluach- starter potential
    • Kon Knueppel- starter potential
    • Nique Clifford - starter potential
    • Noa Essengue - starter potential
    • Egor Demin- starter potential
    • Will Riley - starter potential
    • Nolan Traore - starter potential
    • Jase Richardson- starter potential
    • Jeremiah Fears - starter potential
    • Maxime Raynaud - starter potential
    • Rasheer Fleming - starter potential
    • Asa Newell - starter potential
    • Yaxel Lendeborg - starter potential
    • Walter Clayton Jr. - starter potential
    • Noah Penda - starter potential
    • Kam Jones- starter potential



    Tier 5 Role Players

    • Carter Bryant - Project
    • Joan Beringer- Project
    • Neoklis Avdalas- Project
    • Danny Wolf - role player
    • Liam McNeely- role player
    • Collin Murray-Boyles- role player
    • Adou Thiero - role player
    • Sion James - role player
    • Hansen Yang- role player
    • Koby Brea- role player
    • Chaz Lanier - role player
    • Ryan Kalkbrenner- role player
    • Vladislav Goldin- role player
    • Alex Condon - role player
    • Johni Broome- role player
    • Hugo Gonzalez- draft and stash
    • Ben Saraf - draft and stash
    • Bogoljub Markovic - project
    • Rocco Zikarsky - project



    Tier 6 Developmental

    • Drake Powell developmental
    • Miles Byrd - developmental
    • Labaron Philon- developmental
    • Tahaad Pettiford- developmental
    • Grant Nelson - developmental
    • Alex Toohey - developmental
    • Tobi Lawal- developmental
    • Karter Knox - developmental
    • Yanic Konan Niederhauser - developmental
    • Milos Uzan - developmental
    • Tyrese Proctor - developmental
    • John Tonje - developmental
    • Ryan Nembhard - developmental
    • Eric Dixon - developmental
    • Tamar Bates - developmental
    • Mark Sears - developmental
    • Kobe Johnson - developmental
    • Jaxson Robinson - developmental
    • Micah Peavy- developmental
    • Jalon Moore - developmental
    • Brice Williams - developmental
    • Dink Pate- developmental
    • Hunter Sallis- developmental
    • Kobe Sanders - developmental
    • Jamir Watkins- developmental
    • Izan Almansa- developmental
    • Alijah Martin- developmental
    • Javon Small - developmental
    • Mackenzie Mgbako - developmental
    • Darrion Williams - developmental
    • Payton Sandfort - developmental
    • RJ Luis- developmental
    • Melvin Council Jr. - developmental
    • Brandon Walker - developmental
    • Michael Ruzic- draft and stash
    • Johann Grunloh- draft and stash
    • Flory Bidunga- developmental
    • Max Shulga-developmental
    • Otega Oweh- developmental
    • Lachlan Olbrich - developmental
    • Ben Henshall - developmental



    Tier 7a Draft and Stash

    • Mouhamed Faye- draft and stash
    • Mo Diawara- draft and stash
    • Bassala Bagayoko - draft and stash
    • Paul Mbiya- draft and stash
    • Lazar Gacic- draft and stash
    • Ousmane Ndiaye- draft and stash
    • Asim Djulovic - draft and stash
    • Alec Anigbata - draft and stash
    • Saliou Niang - draft and stash
    • Eli John Ndiaye - draft and stash
    • Zaion Nebot - draft and stash
    • Mohammad Amini - draft and stash
    • David Torresani - draft and stash



    Tier 7b Two Way

    • Rueben Chinyelu - two-way
    • LJ Cryer - two-way
    • Silas Demary Jr. - two way
    • Treysen Eaglestaff - two-way
    • Money Williams - two-way
    • RJ Felton - two-way
    • Joson Sanon - two-way
    • John Blackwell - two-way
    • Jerry Deng - two way
    • Bruce Thornton Jr.
    • Elijah Fisher - two way
    • PJ Haggeety - two way
    • Chris Howell - two way
    • Josh Hubbard - two way
    • Kobe Knox - two way
    • Brenen Lorient - two way
    • Nick Martinelli - two way
    • Camron McDowell - two way
    • Devin McGlockton - two way
    • Thierry Darlan - two way
    • Isaac Nogues - two way
    • Jaden Bradley - two way
    • Tae Davis - two way
    • Jaland Lowe - two way
    • Kebba Njie- two way
    • AK Okereke - two way
    • Raysean Seamster - two way
    • Nathan Bittle - two way
    • Quincy Ballard - two way
    • Dominick Harris two way
    • Tayton Conerway - two way
    • Jaron Pierre - two way
    • Omar Rowe - two way



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    Tier 1- Generational
    None

    Tier 2 - Franchise
    Flagg

    Tier 3 - All Star Potential
    Harper
    VJ
    Queen
    Jase Richardson
    Saraf

    Tier 4 - Starter (im going to interpret this as players who are in the top 5 in the rotation and/ or minutes on a team)
    Kon Knueppel
    Thomas Sorber
    Tre Johnson
    Ace Bailey
    Demin
    Penda

    Tier 5 - Role Player (this is a weird one because role players can be starters too)
    Kasparas
    Malauch
    Will Riley
    CMB
    Wolf

    Tier 6 - Developmental (another weird one, because i dont necessarily think these players are worse than the tier 5 players.. they may just take more time)
    Fleming
    Bryant
    Essengue
    Beringer
    Nolan

    Tier 7 Busts (wasnt part of your tiers but i just wanted to make one)
    McNeeley

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    Fleming's vert numbers disappointed

    27 inch standing, 32.5 max. he looked a bit springer than that imo. for reference those are the same numbers filiposwki had last year.

    though fleming has the good start with 7'5 wingspan and 9'1 standing reach while coming in at a healthy 230 pounds
    CIA Mitch tank the vertical and land on our lap

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    I’ll be interested to see where he lands. His shot to me, is much better than the scouting reports and numbers indicate. His jumper’s fluidity and quick release are top tier IMHO.

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    I watched quite a few BYU games and Demin is all over the map. He struggled to dribble against pressure and had some awful open court turnovers. But he was a great passer. His shooting was pretty bad but his mechanics looked good. He played better in the tournament but most of the season he didn’t look like a lottery pick at all.

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    You sold me in one post (it helps that its coming from you - one of our most credible draft posters).

    Yaxel Gang!

    Edit: I see that Yaxel is saying he is 50/50 on whether to stay in the draft or transfer to Michigan. Hmmmm... sounds like he'll need a round 1 promise to stay in the draft.

    What do you think about his range? is #14 too rich?
    Saw him play a lot in the AAC. Trading down to him seems pretty doable. He is still developing at his age but I'm not sure if he's NBA star material since most of the teams he played against were garbage. It was unfortunate he got injured during the conference tournament and NIT; would've been good to see him at full strength against better teams. He'll be able to do a bit of everything at the next level, I think, so he could fit on the team.

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    I’ll be interested to see where he lands. His shot to me, is much better than the scouting reports and numbers indicate. His jumper’s fluidity and quick release are top tier IMHO.
    Damn people need to pay less attention to the shots that go down in an empty gym. The guy was a terrible shooter in college when in mattered.

    I like him, but empty gym shots are pointless.

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    Damn people need to pay less attention to the shots that go down in an empty gym. The guy was a terrible shooter in college when in mattered.

    I like him, but empty gym shots are pointless.
    I agree that holistically, in the scheme of drafting/data available, that these shots don’t matter. I disagree though in there not being anything of value to note here.
    1. Technique is important. It’s repeatable, he’s comfortable with it and the range looks effortless.
    2. He’s been compared to Josh Giddey in play style and shooting. I think he’s much further along than that coming in…and Giddey just shot 38% from 3 in 70 games this year.


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    I agree that holistically, in the scheme of drafting/data available, that these shots don’t matter. I disagree though in there not being anything of value to note here.
    1. Technique is important. It’s repeatable, he’s comfortable with it and the range looks effortless.
    2. He’s been compared to Josh Giddey in play style and shooting. I think he’s much further along than that coming in…and Giddey just shot 38% from 3 in 70 games this year.

    With the 5th pick, the Utah Jazz select…

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    Fleming's vert numbers disappointed

    27 inch standing, 32.5 max. he looked a bit springer than that imo. for reference those are the same numbers filiposwki had last year.

    though fleming has the good start with 7'5 wingspan and 9'1 standing reach while coming in at a healthy 230 pounds
    Kawhi's vert numbers were also disappointing, 25.5 and 32.0.

    When your arms are that long, you don't need to jump high to get jaw dropping dunks or blocks, and Flemming it's what, 2 inches taller?

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    Spurs won't draft Demin as they have enough guards and I don't see his game converting to a small forward or a power forward despite his height.

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    Agreed, if we were drafting Flagg then maybe but with us getting Harper it doesn’t make sense - But who knows maybe Utah gives us a great trade to move to 14 as I believe they have two picks.

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    I've watched a lot of Zikarsky footage and I'M IN

    I was in on Yang for money reasons but might be gone. Raynaud is promising but is looking like he'll be gone by 38. Gonzalez will probably be gone.

    That leaves Rocco. He'll need a year or two in the g-league, and still will be a career backup. But he is a legit shot blocker and super young. He doesn't have to be a finished product now, he needs development. But I can see it.

    Rocco!

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    With the 5th pick, the Utah Jazz select…
    Ainge has a big presence with BYU

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    I know that he's probably not a fit in the traditional sense because he doesn't offer much in the way of strength/size or shooting, but there is a world where the Spurs just say " it, we're leaning into the Fox-Harper transition game, going full longboi, and running opponents out of the gym".

    In that sense, Essengue has to be at the top of the list at 14 if he's not already gone by then - dude's got a 9'3" standing reach (which would be 4th highest in the combine behind Rocco, Maluach, and Kalkbrenner), putting up numbers and making a positive impact on the second best pro team in a respectable foreign league, and is the same age as Flagg. By far the best transition wing player in this draft looking at transition volume and points per possession. Just put up 21/4/3 today in his first playoff game today. Looks raw as , but at some point I think you have to take a swing at youth x tools x production, especially if you've got extra picks to play with.

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    Tier 1- Generational
    None

    Tier 2 - Franchise
    Flagg

    Tier 3 - All Star Potential
    Harper
    VJ
    Queen
    Jase Richardson
    Saraf

    Tier 4 - Starter (im going to interpret this as players who are in the top 5 in the rotation and/ or minutes on a team)
    Kon Knueppel
    Thomas Sorber
    Tre Johnson
    Ace Bailey
    Demin
    Penda

    Tier 5 - Role Player (this is a weird one because role players can be starters too)
    Kasparas
    Malauch
    Will Riley
    CMB
    Wolf

    Tier 6 - Developmental (another weird one, because i dont necessarily think these players are worse than the tier 5 players.. they may just take more time)
    Fleming
    Bryant
    Essengue
    Beringer
    Nolan

    Tier 7 Busts (wasnt part of your tiers but i just wanted to make one)
    McNeeley
    Looking at some stuff for Sorber now, do you think that his 50-70th percentile outcome is better or worse than current Wendell Carter Jr? He fits that WCJ/Horford style of smart big that's decent at everything. They're basically same height, similar build, Sorber about 1 inch longer, nearly identical standing reach. I think Sorber's defense is better both as a post defender and being able to switch out on the perimeter, but my worry is that he's going to be way more of an offensive negative - he seems less vertically explosive and this is supported by his significantly fewer dunks (21 vs 56) and slightly lesser rebounding rates (10/22 vs 13/23 O/D). He's got some reasonable post moves, but I'm not convinced he has the explosiveness to be effective in the post, nor the handle to drive in from the perimeter, nor the pop/sheer size to be a vertical spacer, and his shooting signal is comparable if not worse from FT, 3 point, and midrange. What do you see as his reasonable outcome?

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    Looking at some stuff for Sorber now, do you think that his 50-70th percentile outcome is better or worse than current Wendell Carter Jr? He fits that WCJ/Horford style of smart big that's decent at everything. They're basically same height, similar build, Sorber about 1 inch longer, nearly identical standing reach. I think Sorber's defense is better both as a post defender and being able to switch out on the perimeter, but my worry is that he's going to be way more of an offensive negative - he seems less vertically explosive and this is supported by his significantly fewer dunks (21 vs 56) and slightly lesser rebounding rates (10/22 vs 13/23 O/D). He's got some reasonable post moves, but I'm not convinced he has the explosiveness to be effective in the post, nor the handle to drive in from the perimeter, nor the pop/sheer size to be a vertical spacer, and his shooting signal is comparable if not worse from FT, 3 point, and midrange. What do you see as his reasonable outcome?
    When I consider what type of inside big will potentially fit with Wemby is one who doesn’t have a complex array of offensive skills (like say, Queen) who will likely be underutilized here because of obvious reasons. I also think Sorber’s skills on the offensive end thrive on fundamentals: positioning, angles, cutting. No move is wasted, and he tries to look for the easiest way to get a basket. For this reason, the physical tools or amount of dunks you mentioned aren’t required for the old-school style he plays. Don’t confuse this with me saying his offense is so basic that it mirrors Dejuan Blair… I think he is so smart on offense that he’s a step ahead of his man and he’s making them react to his move instead of the other way around.

    In summary, I think it’s important to get a big like Sorber who is not overqualified for the role the team will require and someone who plays smart on both ends. I get getting a high flyer, but two points is two points. I think Sorber’s savviness on offense will still help the team get those easy two points.

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    Increasingly digging the late lotto/early 20s options

    Sorber
    Coward
    Yaxel
    Essengue
    Penda
    Bryant

    All guys who offer various things I'm interested in. Don't think the Spurs would do it, but would love to flip 14 for two of BKN later picks to end up with two of these guys

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    Just took a first run at my Spurs draft board/wish list for 14

    Obviously will be gone by 14…


    • Flagg
    • Harper
    • Edgecombe
    • Kneuffel
    • Bailey
    • Johnson


    Realistic options for 14



    • Coward (completely buying the hype)
    • Bryant
    • Essengue
    • Maluach
    • Clifford



    I really hope they’re gone by 14 to push someone else down…
    Fears
    Queen
    Demin


    Not sure how I’d feel…
    Jaku
    Sorber
    Penda
    Newell
    CMB


    Feels too early
    Wolf
    Riley
    Raynaud
    Fleming
    Lendenborg
    Berringer
    McNeeley


    Assuming we draft Harper, I want no part of them despite having legit NBA role player or better upside…
    Richardson
    Traore
    Clayton Jr (ok, maybe not 14 but even with a trade down)

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    Increasingly digging the late lotto/early 20s options

    Sorber
    Coward
    Yaxel
    Essengue
    Penda
    Bryant

    All guys who offer various things I'm interested in. Don't think the Spurs would do it, but would love to flip 14 for two of BKN later picks to end up with two of these guys
    I just want to turn the bench as I think we can now start the process of deepening our second unit.

    For Offense Go:
    Coward
    Yaxel

    For Defense Go:
    Sober
    Bryant
    Penda

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    I will say this - there are multiple options I'd be perfectly happy with at 14 - Essengue, Sorber, Carter Bryant, even poor fits like CMB or trade downs like Yaxel. , I don't even like Fleming and I'd be fine with him at 14.

    Whereas even if we'd taken Kon at 8 who would've been a great fit, something would have still felt a little bit lacking. Lucking into 2 really made it so there's very few ways I can be unhappy with this draft.

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    I will say this - there are multiple options I'd be perfectly happy with at 14 - Essengue, Sorber, Carter Bryant, even poor fits like CMB or trade downs like Yaxel. , I don't even like Fleming and I'd be fine with him at 14.

    Whereas even if we'd taken Kon at 8 who would've been a great fit, something would have still felt a little bit lacking. Lucking into 2 really made it so there's very few ways I can be unhappy with this draft.
    Agree with this completely. I liked the options at around 5-10 better last year, but like the top of this draft a lot more, and the late lotto and late first a LOT LOT more. The teens look like a real sweet spot in this draft.

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