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    Weather instability due to global warming doesn't mean stability of precipitation.

    Bring your weak , as always.

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    Shale oil story, pollutes/destroys ground water and rivers:

    http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/147102

    America is ed.

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    catalog of BP's wonderful history:

    http://chemicallygreen.com/bp-amoco-...ing-to-happen/

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    If we swung the doors up to that shale production unreservedly, how economical would it be to extract?
    Darrin, RG is right on that aspect.

    However, RG...

    When the oil prices are high enough, it sure would be nice if the oil companies already had access to development to streamline a procedure for when it does become economically viable.

    You liberals have some of the stupidest arguments. I keep hearing about idiocy like not taping ANWR because of how many years it would take to bring it to market. Well, dammit, that means we should do it now, so we have in in the future years. That really is one of the dumbest arguments I continue to hear lib s regurgitate. Any new venture takes time. If we scrap the ideas for that reason, we have no new development.

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    there is so much oil that if it gets sucked out......the world will cave in.
    No, Just Guatemala.

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    The dumbest argument I hear is that more domestic drilling will have any noticeable effect on the oil market and gas prices.

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    The dumbest argument I hear is that more domestic drilling will have any noticeable effect on the oil market and gas prices.
    Who says that, and what is claimed by noticeable?

    if there is small supply difference, it can make a dramatic difference in price. It all depends on where in the supply vs. demand curves all this comes into play. Now I won't attempt to say any particular place will make a dramatic change, however, isn't any decrease in price a good thing?

    Funny thing is, I think the $4.00 a gallon was a correct price point. I also think state and federal gas taxes need to be increased and then stay indexed to inflation. Yes, I am generally for less taxes, but road taxes have not been keeping up with inflation, and I agree with a tax for a specific purpose.

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    if there is small supply difference, it can make a dramatic difference in price.
    How dramatic?

    Surely someone has done the numbers.

    And why would oil companies voluntarily lower the price of their product? In 2008, there were 68 million acres of leases held by oil companies that were not developed -- and not in deep water. Why are they not 100% in production?

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    I would like to pay 1 dollar a gallon for gasoline.

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    "small supply difference, it can make a dramatic difference in price"

    With the world in recession and demand down, supply plentiful, oil prices are still high, because of Wall St and commodity traders, who were also guilty of the $35-to- $150/barrel e in 2008, when the Saudis said they had oil that they couldn't sell.

    Believing in naive bull like oil supply/demand curves proves, again, you are a (duped) shill for class-warfare conservatism and free market bull . They only aspect that is really free is predations and trading shennaigans of the world-wide financial sector.

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    I would like to pay 1 dollar a gallon for gasoline.
    I would too. I remember when it was under 40 cents. However, I acknowledge reality.

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    Why are you asking such a question to me? I have already indicated i don't have a proper answer. Just the way the pricing "can" work.
    Surely someone has done the numbers.
    Yes, I'm sure someone has.
    And why would oil companies voluntarily lower the price of their product?
    It's called compe ive pricing.
    In 2008, there were 68 million acres of leases held by oil companies that were not developed -- and not in deep water. Why are they not 100% in production?
    Issues like environmentalists, cost of drilling vs. expected revenue, etc. They don't have the desirable land available to them. The land they want, they can't have.

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    Why are you asking such a question to me? I have already indicated i don't have a proper answer. Just the way the pricing "can" work.
    So you are admitting you are full of .

    Yes, I'm sure someone has.
    So you'd think the drillbabydrill crowd would be using them all the time.

    It's called compe ive pricing.
    you think oil producers compete for buyers like Wal-Mart? You're a fool.

    Issues like environmentalists, cost of drilling vs. expected revenue, etc. They don't have the desirable land available to them. The land they want, they can't have.
    They already leased the land, idiot. If it was such a horrible deal, why did they lease it? Environmentalists have nothing to do with existing oil leases. Why do you insist on making up?

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    Goldma Sacks and Hayward are just so damn lucky to unload millions of BP shares just before they collapsed.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...oil-spill.html

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    Goldma Sacks and Hayward are just so damn lucky to unload millions of BP shares just before they collapsed.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...oil-spill.html
    It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, or even luck. Spring-time deep-ocean drilling in a body of water that regularly experiences hurricanes is risky. Compound that with BP's lousy safety record in comparison to other oil companies (and knowledge that BP's CEO is a numb-skull) and GS selling off their stocks makes a lot of sense.

    I'm not saying they aren't crooks in other ways, but at the end of the day their job is risk analysis.

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    "their job is risk analysis"

    which they are horrible at, having taken on $Ts in risk then dumped the liability on taxpayers.

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    "their job is risk analysis"

    which they are horrible at, having taken on $Ts in risk then dumped the liability on taxpayers.

    I'm not saying they aren't crooks in other ways

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    - SpeakEasy - http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy -

    BP Buys Oil-Related Search Terms to Make Its Official Site Show Up First in Search Engines


    As BP’s oil disaster continues to ravage the Gulf Coast, the company is ramping up its public relations and legal operations to try to salvage its reputation and protect itself from lawsuits. Now, ABC News is reporting that one such tactic BP is using is purchasing search items that have the word “oil” in them on various search engines to ensure that the first results that appear link directly to BP’s official website:

    BP, the very company responsible for the oil spill that is already the worst in U.S. history, has purchased several phrases on search engines such as Google and Yahoo so that the first result that shows up directs information seekers to the company’s official website.

    A simple Google search of “oil spill” turns up several thousand news results, but the first link, highlighted at the very top of the page, is from BP. “Learn more about how BP is helping,” the link’s tagline reads. [...]

    “We have bought search terms on search engines like Google to make it easier for people to find out more about our efforts in the Gulf and make it easier for people to find key links to information on filing claims, reporting oil on the beach and signing up to volunteer,” BP spokesman Toby Odone told ABC News.

    Reflecting on BP’s latest PR tactic, marketing company executive Scott Slatin tells the Fiscal Times, “While we have seen corporations use search engine marketing to sway opinions, most recently in the health care debate, it is always under the cover of a nonprofit or lobbying organization. This is the first time I have seen a company use this tactic on such a wide scale. And it is very effective, because BP gets its message, ‘Learn more about how BP is helping,’ atop almost every Google search permutation related to the spill, and effectively blocks nonprofits (with much smaller pockets) from getting their message across.”

    UPDATE

    Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich on Friday tweeted PR advice to help BP “win” the battle of public perception: “Our friend @davidall writes about social gaming strategies that can help companies like BP win public relations battles http://bit.ly/aOXIn5.”

    Article printed from SpeakEasy: http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy

    URL to article: http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/...earch-engines/

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    BP CEO Tony Hayward Lies, Claims Company Has Paid “Every Claim”




    Embattled BP CEO Tony Hayward asserted that his company has paid “every claim” for damages caused by the offshore-drilling disaster that is flooding the Gulf of Mexico with millions of gallons of toxic oil. In an interview with BBC’s Andrew Marr on Sunday, Hayward lauded the BP claims processing procedure, claiming it only takes “48 hours” to get a check, instead of “what has taken 45 days traditionally in the United States.” He asserted unequivocally that “every claim” has been paid:

    Well, you know, what we have done so far is to pay every claim that’s been presented to us, and we will continue to do that. You know, the most important thing in terms of claims today is to ensure that people who can’t fish today have the wherewithal to feed their families. And we’ve taken a claims process that has taken 45 days traditionally in the United States and shortened it to 48 hours. It takes 12 seconds when you phone the BP claims line to be put into the process, be given a number. If you turn up at the claims office, within 48 hours you’re given a cheque. You take it to a bank and you cash the cheque. We are going to continue to do that.

    Watch it:

    In fact, less than half of the claims have been paid. For the entire Gulf Coast, BP has paid 18,000 out of 37,000 claims, Darryl Willis, the BP vice president overseeing the claims process, said Sunday. BP has denied repeated requests from the state of Louisiana for access to its claims database, but did release a summary that showed the majority of claims in Louisiana, the hardest hit state, are still pending:

    As of May 29, only $22.5 million had been paid on 6,997 claims; 51 percent remain pending, at least one for as long as 33 days. The majority of paid claims are property damage.

    – Only one of 118 bodily injury claims has been paid.

    – Of $9.1 million in claims for loss of income in Louisiana, 54 percent were pending as of May 29. Of 7,469 claims filed by individuals and businesses for loss of income, BP has paid just 3,438 claims.

    – Of 37 claims categories ranging from loss of income for shrimpers, crabbers, oyster processors and fishermen to loss of rental property income and damage to animals and property, 26 categories have 70 percent or more of unpaid claims. For commercial loss of income, 57 percent of claims are unpaid.

    Less than 25 percent of business interruption claims have been paid.

    “Hardworking people should not be forced into poverty by the oil spill,” said Louisiana Workforce Commission Executive Director Curt Eysink. The more BP delays and dissembles, the harder it is for the foreign oil giant’s victims to get their lives back.

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    " "Kill, don't clean," is the recommendation of a German animal biologist,"

    "According to serious studies, the middle-term survival rate of oil-soaked birds is under 1 percent," Gaus says. "We, therefore, oppose cleaning birds."

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...693359,00.html

    How about serving the pelicans at the Petroleum Club in Houston? Make the oil execs eat their own .

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    Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL): Andrea we’re looking into something new right now, that there’s reports of oil that’s seeping up from the seabed… which would indicate, if that’s true, that the well casing itself is actually pierced… underneath the seabed. So, you know, the problems could be just enormous with what we’re facing.
    http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/se...ultiple-places

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    BP Buys Oil-Related Search Terms to Make Its Official Site Show Up First in Search Engines


    As BP’s oil disaster continues to ravage the Gulf Coast, the company is ramping up its public relations and legal operations to try to salvage its reputation and protect itself from lawsuits. Now, ABC News is reporting that one such tactic BP is using is purchasing search items that have the word “oil” in them on various search engines to ensure that the first results that appear link directly to BP’s official website:

    BP, the very company responsible for the oil spill that is already the worst in U.S. history, has purchased several phrases on search engines such as Google and Yahoo so that the first result that shows up directs information seekers to the company’s official website.

    A simple Google search of “oil spill” turns up several thousand news results, but the first link, highlighted at the very top of the page, is from BP. “Learn more about how BP is helping,” the link’s tagline reads. [...]

    “We have bought search terms on search engines like Google to make it easier for people to find out more about our efforts in the Gulf and make it easier for people to find key links to information on filing claims, reporting oil on the beach and signing up to volunteer,” BP spokesman Toby Odone told ABC News.

    Reflecting on BP’s latest PR tactic, marketing company executive Scott Slatin tells the Fiscal Times, “While we have seen corporations use search engine marketing to sway opinions, most recently in the health care debate, it is always under the cover of a nonprofit or lobbying organization. This is the first time I have seen a company use this tactic on such a wide scale. And it is very effective, because BP gets its message, ‘Learn more about how BP is helping,’ atop almost every Google search permutation related to the spill, and effectively blocks nonprofits (with much smaller pockets) from getting their message across.”

    UPDATE

    Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich on Friday tweeted PR advice to help BP “win” the battle of public perception: “Our friend @davidall writes about social gaming strategies that can help companies like BP win public relations battles http://bit.ly/aOXIn5.”

    Article printed from SpeakEasy: http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy

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    Maybe not the one "oil spill" though... heh.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=oil+spill

    Hmm. went back and looked, and sure enough BP's website is the "sponsored link", if not part of the normal results.

    Guess when you have 220BN in revenues in an off year, you can afford to sponsor a lot of searches.

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    BP CEO Tony Hayward Lies, Claims Company Has Paid “Every Claim”




    Embattled BP CEO Tony Hayward asserted that his company has paid “every claim” for damages caused by the offshore-drilling disaster that is flooding the Gulf of Mexico with millions of gallons of toxic oil. In an interview with BBC’s Andrew Marr on Sunday, Hayward lauded the BP claims processing procedure, claiming it only takes “48 hours” to get a check, instead of “what has taken 45 days traditionally in the United States.” He asserted unequivocally that “every claim” has been paid:

    Well, you know, what we have done so far is to pay every claim that’s been presented to us, and we will continue to do that. You know, the most important thing in terms of claims today is to ensure that people who can’t fish today have the wherewithal to feed their families. And we’ve taken a claims process that has taken 45 days traditionally in the United States and shortened it to 48 hours. It takes 12 seconds when you phone the BP claims line to be put into the process, be given a number. If you turn up at the claims office, within 48 hours you’re given a cheque. You take it to a bank and you cash the cheque. We are going to continue to do that.

    Watch it:

    In fact, less than half of the claims have been paid. For the entire Gulf Coast, BP has paid 18,000 out of 37,000 claims, Darryl Willis, the BP vice president overseeing the claims process, said Sunday. BP has denied repeated requests from the state of Louisiana for access to its claims database, but did release a summary that showed the majority of claims in Louisiana, the hardest hit state, are still pending:

    As of May 29, only $22.5 million had been paid on 6,997 claims; 51 percent remain pending, at least one for as long as 33 days. The majority of paid claims are property damage.

    – Only one of 118 bodily injury claims has been paid.

    – Of $9.1 million in claims for loss of income in Louisiana, 54 percent were pending as of May 29. Of 7,469 claims filed by individuals and businesses for loss of income, BP has paid just 3,438 claims.

    – Of 37 claims categories ranging from loss of income for shrimpers, crabbers, oyster processors and fishermen to loss of rental property income and damage to animals and property, 26 categories have 70 percent or more of unpaid claims. For commercial loss of income, 57 percent of claims are unpaid.

    Less than 25 percent of business interruption claims have been paid.

    “Hardworking people should not be forced into poverty by the oil spill,” said Louisiana Workforce Commission Executive Director Curt Eysink. The more BP delays and dissembles, the harder it is for the foreign oil giant’s victims to get their lives back.

    Article printed from SpeakEasy: http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy

    URL to article: http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/...d-every-claim/
    To be fair to BP, paying out thousands of claims isn't their schtick.

    One should reasonably expect that the beginning of the process would be slow as BP ramps up some kind of capacity in that regard.

    Looks like BP is gonna be hiring, folks. Getcher red hot jobs...

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    Big fat link to a job can be seen here.

    Posted May 25th...

    Attorney - Exploration and Production
    Req ID 11851BR
    Job category Legal
    Sub-category Legal
    Countries (State/Region) United States - Texas
    Location Houston

    E&P (Exploration & Production) Lawyer to serve BP Gulf of Mexico Strategic Performance Unit with primary focus on deepwater offshore project support, procurement, exploration, production, and midstream issues.
    Methinks they will need more than one posting....

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