If you don't vaccinate your children, you are a horrible parent. Period

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is there some kind delirious in the water out West?

Arizona Republican claims vaccines are just like Communism in bizarre tirade

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/ari...e+Raw+Story%29

America is ed and un able because Americans can agree, or develop a consensus of what is real and what is bull . Repugs are ALL full of bull .

[Pavlov]

CROFL Tejas

[RandomGuy]

CROFL Tejas

um... yeah.

That is a trope, with some grain of truth. Improvements in nutrition have reduced measles lethality, with asshats mistaking that for antibiotic availability. (hint: measles is a virus)

What the anti-vaxxers don't like to admit is that measles is far more deadly to infants than to older kids.

When measles gets more widespread, and it will, we will see an uptick in infant deaths. It won't take too many dead babies before they realize they made a mistake.

Measles: A Dangerous Illness
Olivia, my eldest daughter, caught measles when she was seven years old. As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it. Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of coloured pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn't do anything.

"Are you feeling all right?" I asked her.

"I feel all sleepy," she said.

In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.

The measles had turned into a terrible thing called measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her. That was twenty-four years ago in 1962, but even now, if a child with measles happens to develop the same deadly reaction from measles as Olivia did, there would still be nothing the doctors could do to help her.

On the other hand, there is today something that parents can do to make sure that this sort of tragedy does not happen to a child of theirs. They can insist that their child is immunised against measles. I was unable to do that for Olivia in 1962 because in those days a reliable measles vaccine had not been discovered. Today a good and safe vaccine is available to every family and all you have to do is to ask your doctor to administer it.

It is not yet generally accepted that measles can be a dangerous illness. Believe me, it is. In my opinion parents who now refuse to have their children immunised are putting the lives of those children at risk. In America, where measles immunisation is compulsory, measles like smallpox, has been virtually wiped out.

Here in Britain, because so many parents refuse, either out of obstinacy or ignorance or fear, to allow their children to be immunised, we still have a hundred thousand cases of measles every year. Out of those, more than 10,000 will suffer side effects of one kind or another. At least 10,000 will develop ear or chest infections. About 20 will die.

LET THAT SINK IN.

Every year around 20 children will die in Britain from measles.

So what about the risks that your children will run from being immunised?

They are almost non-existent. Listen to this. In a district of around 300,000 people, there will be only one child every 250 years who will develop serious side effects from measles immunisation! That is about a million to one chance. I should think there would be more chance of your child choking to death on a chocolate bar than of becoming seriously ill from a measles immunisation.

So what on earth are you worrying about? It really is almost a crime to allow your child to go unimmunised.

The ideal time to have it done is at 13 months, but it is never too late. All school-children who have not yet had a measles immunisation should beg their parents to arrange for them to have one as soon as possible.

Incidentally, I dedicated two of my books to Olivia, the first was 'James and the Giant Peach'. That was when she was still alive. The second was 'The BFG', dedicated to her memory after she had died from measles. You will see her name at the beginning of each of these books. And I know how happy she would be if only she could know that her death had helped to save a good deal of illness and death among other children.

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Decade-Long Study Shows No Link Between Measles Vaccine And Autism

Researchers examined all children born in Denmark from 1999 to 2010 ― a group of 657,461 children.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/measl...gEmail__030519

[SpursforSix]

Decade-Long Study Shows No Link Between Measles Vaccine And Autism

Researchers examined all children born in Denmark from 1999 to 2010 ― a group of 657,461 children.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/measl...gEmail__030519

I'm not an anti vaxer and definitley believe it's safe. But it's funny as that you use a study fudned in part by BigPharma.

[RandomGuy]

I'm not an anti vaxer and definitley believe it's safe. But it's funny as that you use a study fudned in part by BigPharma.

Pretty much what the anti-vax community is saying. They are really freaking out over a bill to make vaccines mandatory. oooh the drama.

[RandomGuy]

[SpursforSix]

Pretty much what the anti-vax community is saying. They are really freaking out over a bill to make vaccines mandatory. oooh the drama.

My comment really didn't have anything to do with anti-vax or the study itself. Just that it was funny that boots used it as backup. A company that's a player in the vaccine industry funding a study that says that vaccines are OK.

[SpursforSix]

"Vaccine Industry" wtf?

BigVax...under the umbrella of BigPharma.

[RandomGuy]

BigVax...under the umbrella of BigPharma.

Vaccines don't make that much money for these companies. What does make a lot of money though is the "natural" remedy snake oil poeple. Those ers are some shifty s.

[SpursforSix]

Vaccines don't make that much money for these companies. What does make a lot of money though is the "natural" remedy snake oil poeple. Those ers are some shifty s.

I'm not sure if you're thinking about any natural remedy in particular. Many natural remedies have been shown to work. Tumeric for example. But yeah...a lot of it is just jumping on to something new, promoting the out of it, then moving on to the next one once the hype train begins to take off. That being said, I do think there are natural remedies that people should look at first before treating with prescriptions. Vaccines not being one of these cases.

[RandomGuy]

I'm not sure if you're thinking about any natural remedy in particular. Many natural remedies have been shown to work. Tumeric for example. But yeah...a lot of it is just jumping on to something new, promoting the out of it, then moving on to the next one once the hype train begins to take off. That being said, I do think there are natural remedies that people should look at first before treating with prescriptions. Vaccines not being one of these cases.

Natural remedies shown to verifiably work.. then become "remedies". Hemlock is "natural".

I think the dangerous thing is the anti-vaxx nutters thinking that if it is "natural" it must be good for you. I am reminded of a story about a doctor having to explain that to his patient taking St. John's Wort, who reminded his patient that he has a plant in his back yard that would kill her if she just sat under it for 10 minutes.

[SpursforSix]

Natural remedies shown to verifiably work.. then become "remedies". Hemlock is "natural".

I think the dangerous thing is the anti-vaxx nutters thinking that if it is "natural" it must be good for you. I am reminded of a story about a doctor having to explain that to his patient taking St. John's Wort, who reminded his patient that he has a plant in his back yard that would kill her if she just sat under it for 10 minutes.

Sure no disagreement about that. And many, while they may have a benefit for one malady, also can have worse long term effects. Especially on the kidney and liver.
But it's just the other side of the same coin as BigPharma. All about the dollars in the end.

That being said, I do believe that putting the right things in your body will eliminate (or significantly lower) the chances of many diseases. Eating a healthy diet means you're likely getting most of those "right things" anyway.
But depending on your specific condition, there could be plenty of natural safer alternatives to prescriptions.

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18-year-old anti-vaxxer student who sued to attend school during outbreak contracts chickenpox



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/8/1856309/-18-year-old-anti-vaxxer-student-who-sued-to-attend-school-during-outbreak-contracts-chicken-pox?detail=emaildkre

[koriwhat]

18-year-old anti-vaxxer student who sued to attend school during outbreak contracts chickenpox



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/8/1856309/-18-year-old-anti-vaxxer-student-who-sued-to-attend-school-during-outbreak-contracts-chicken-pox?detail=emaildkre

i was vaccinated as a kid and got chickenpox... so... damn yall just keep reaching and reaching.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2657090/

[Pelicans78]

i was vaccinated as a kid and got chickenpox... so... damn yall just keep reaching and reaching.

Was the chickenpox vaccine around when you were younger? It wasn’t made available until some time in the 90s.

[spurraider21]

angry druggy thinks one shot vaccinated everything

[Pavlov]

i was vaccinated as a kid and got chickenpox... so... damn yall just keep reaching and reaching.

Was the chickenpox vaccine around when you were younger? It wasn’t made available until some time in the 90s.

angry druggy thinks one shot vaccinated everything

kori

[SpursforSix]

i was vaccinated as a kid and got chickenpox... so... damn yall just keep reaching and reaching.

Very strange. Wait...did this "vaccination" involve another man putting his penis in your butt?

You might have been conned.

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angry druggy thinks one shot vaccinated everything

and that his anecdote has any significance for demographic/population policy

[koriwhat]

angry druggy thinks one shot vaccinated everything

prove i'm angry and a druggy. you can't. just more bs from gots like yourself.

[RandomGuy]

Yet another debate that will have some urgency when we get COVID 19 vaccines.

Ima line up for that one on day one.

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Yet another debate that will have some urgency when we get COVID 19 vaccines.

Ima line up for that one on day one.

Only 70% poll as getting the vaccine most of them are Democrats not Republicans

[DMC]

Yet another debate that will have some urgency when we get COVID 19 vaccines.

Ima line up for that one on day one.

I'll send you my DNA code for "your" kids.