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Actually, it could be a little bit more than a mil extra a year. Bonus points if you can figure out the max and min.
There's a contender that can offer him a major role and plenty of playing time, for just a million or so less a year.
Hmm... which to chose! Which to chose!
Actually, it could be a little bit more than a mil extra a year. Bonus points if you can figure out the max and min.
You're truly insane if you think somebody's dropping the max on him. At this point you should just call him up for a date.
...and you are just plain stupid because I wasn't referring to the absolute max he could be paid a season per the CBA, but rather how much he could get from that contender in a S&T.
Try again.
Would you trade Rasho and the rights to Scola for SAR and Travis Outlaw? Doubt Poretland would, Outlaw is coming on. It's hard to say how highly other GMs value Scola.
I think after whatever happens, it will define SAR as a player.
If he goes to NJ, he just plain stupid. They will NEVER win a le!
If he goes to a club for more than the MLE, then he is greedy and also stupid. He would obviously not care about winning if he did that.
If he would go to a winning club for the MLE or a sign and trade, I would be able to respect that.
Well, you're just teh STOOPIDEST because that's what I said in the previous post: S&T equals only a million or two over the MLE. Worth enough to bury onesself on the bench? Time will tell. Does Portland really want or need Rasho? Time will tell. Let's not rehash these stupid arguments....and you are just plain stupid because I wasn't referring to the absolute max he could be paid a season per the CBA, but rather how much he could get from that contender in a S&T.
Spurs fans have to be some of the most ignorant in the world. Or else it's just the Homer thing. I think at this point SAR would be ecstatic to get into the playoffs. Being a major factor in Jersey's run has to be a big, big plus.If he goes to NJ, he just plain stupid. They will NEVER win a le!
Do you think NJ has a snowballs chance in to win a le? SARcould go anywhere, and there are several better teams than NJ that could pick him up. Why would he go to a place that has NO chance of winning? Do you actually believe his goal is just to make the first round and be eliminated? You must think he is pretty dumb them.
Uh... No. Read my post again.Do you think NJ has a snowballs chance in to win a le?
That was rather convincing.
My my, someone's testy.
Actually, it doesn't. That's what I said in my post. How much is Nesterovic's annual salary in 2005-06? How much under the new CBA could the Spurs take back in a trade?because that's what I said in the previous post: S&T equals only a million or two over the MLE.
Also, you said "a mil" over in your prior post.
Keep guessing.
If you don't want to see stupid arguments and comments in this forum, I'd suggest you begin by ceasing to post some of them.Worth enough to bury onesself on the bench? Time will tell. Does Portland really want or need Rasho? Time will tell. Let's not rehash these stupid arguments.
"Ignorant"? You apparently do not understand the CBA. I suggest you learn a little bit about that before you start referring to others as that.Spurs fans have to be some of the most ignorant in the world. Or else it's just the Homer thing. I think at this point SAR would be ecstatic to get into the playoffs. Being a major factor in Jersey's run has to be a big, big plus.
Try again, "STOOPID".
Damn! How did I miss this !
Well, after finally slogging through all of this the one question that lingers on my mind is, "Why are the Blazers looking to get Rasho?" Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and would like to see him stick around. Why put that kind of money up for a player who might very well just wind up playing behind Pryzbilla and Ratcliff? Is there something I'm not seeing here?
The main thing that I'm wondering about is SARS defense. The ruling logic I've seen in favor of this move has been that the Spurs D is good enough already and this guy can score 20 per game. Defense is the Spurs iden y. What I want to know is can this guy clog the paint like the Spurs ask all of their big men to do?
Sure. They waive Ratliff to avoid the luxury tax on him and then will be in need of a center. Nesterovic is reasonably priced for a center given his skills and consistency.
Also, they get something back for SAR instead of seeing him walk away for nothing.
I stilll think he's going to New Jersey.
Aha. I wasn't aware that Portland was looking to albatross Theo Huxtable. Going for Rasho makes a bit more sense now. I still have my doubts about this trade though.
In regards to the maximum the Spurs could offer Abdur-Rahim via a sign and trade with Portland for Nesterovic, they could offer a 6 year contract starting at $8.5 million with 10% annual raises (note, I am not saying they will, only that they can).
Compared to the max that any capped out team other than the Blazers can offer by signing SAR outright (MLE of $5 mil starting for 5 years with 8% annual raises), the Spurs could offer SAR as much as $32.5 million more in guaranteed salary if they completed a sign and trade of Nesterovic with Portland.
Again, not that they would, but that they could. So it's a bit more than "a mil" over the MLE. More like up to $4 mil per season on average over 5 years and that's not counting the extra guaranteed year that the Spurs could give SAR in a sign and trade.
where ever he ends up, i'm thinking they're going to try sign and trades to get him more money. portland probably does want to get out from under some contracts... like DAs. dropping NVE should help too. but now with nate there, this could be chance one to get someone he likes there, or get someone with trade value for later on.
god knows why he'd want to go to nj... but at the end of the day i dont think he's going to want to be stuck there 4 or more years at mle money. not when he knows shaq is waiting, and even detroit and indiana would be nearly impossible to get by probably for the next 2 to 3 years.
If Portland is looking to dump contracts then they would have to take back some salary from NJ, even after assuming that the Nets use the trade exception. As far as expiring contracts go, the Nets don't really have any of significant size to make it worth Portland's while.
thats why im thinking if its nj maybe there's a 3rd team involved... because on top of that, they dont have anyone that either fits or would be worth it to them. the only other option for him would be to take the mle money... and if he's going to do that... he could do it anywhere. (or at least alot of other places)
NJ would have to send Portland back some players in addition to the trade exception in order to give SAR something more than MLE money.
Here's a way to look at it, the most that can be guaranteed to SAR in a sign and trade using NJ's trade exception alone is $38.25 mil over 6 years.
Using the example of a sign and trade involving Nesterovic alone described above, the Spurs could offer SAR as much as $63.75 mil guaranteed over 6 years.
If you already have $30 mil committed to Nesterovic for the next 4 years, how much extra would it be worth to the Spurs to have SAR instead?
Not bad money for a 6th man.
Perhaps. But you already have $30 mil committed to Rasho. Might it not be tempting for the front office to have SAR instead for a little bit more?
Or 7th man. Is Horry going to get bumped to the end of the bench if SAR comes? Or would Horry move over and play 5 or even 3? Whatever the situation, Horry has got to get significant PT with Tim. That rotation kicked ass in the playoffs, and it doesn't make sense that Horry just got inked for 3 years to ride pine.
As far as the sign and trade options, it just makes more sense to me to go after a small forward. If Pop and RC go after SAR and try to bring Scola in as well, I think they're taking Bruce Bowen's durability for granted.
SAR is a great player, but as rumored, this trade doesn't make much sense from the Spurs' standpoint.
Maybe, but I just don't think SAR is worth that kind of term, nor $ to the Spurs. He would probably help the Spurs to improve, no doubt, but I just haven't seen the intensity from him while playing for all his other teams.
If SAR comes, you trade Scola's rights, plain and simple.
i totally agree. all you were going to ask from scola is to spell horry with good mins, some inside scoring when tim is out, and a rebound or two. (building him for the future) but sar, is offense ready. if you have him you dont need scola anyway. sar isnt going to average 20pts a game here, or even start (unless tim moves to center full time) but he's duncan's age or a little younger and he'd finish his career with a few championships.
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