Spurs in Serious Talks with Belinelli (Edit: signed to 2 year/$6M)

[CGD]

The Spurs aren't paying him 6M a year. They're paying him 6M over 2 years. The Cavs offered him 12M for 2 years, hence double.

Yup you're right. I gaffed on the numbers. For a minute there I thought the Cavs offer was 12M a year, and then I realized how ludicrous that would have been.
#owningmybull .

[milkyway21]

Calling him "another Gary Neal" is so disingenuous it's not even fair. Bellinelli is a better player. Leaps and bounds.

the Nets were going after him after getting shut out on Korver.

yeah right.

[Mel_13]

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[TE]

He's actually a terrible perimeter defender, tbh..

I haven't checked the defensive metrics but I'm assuming you're making this assessment based on that and an eye test (you probably watch Eastern conference basketball more than anybody here).

[objective]

Be prepared to be disappointed.

Pretty much.

If people would read Bulls forums, there are plenty of people, even a majority perhaps, glad to see him replaced by Dunleavy. Belinelli is ripped on for terrible finishing, lack of playmaking, passing on open looks, taking horrible fadeaways, and all the other complaints people have about role players. The only thing he really gets credit for is hitting clutch shots sometimes . . . just like Neal.

[TD 21]

They re-signed Mills last season, which is pretty much as much encouragement as you can give someone. They kept him as the 12th man to be offense and energy off the bench. That's pretty much what Neal was doing, except he lacked energy. Mills can't do everything Neal can, but he do enough of the same things to get a consistent role.

Joseph has shown flashes of being a good offensive player. His regular-season run when Parker was injured was full of them. Literally, the only thing holding him back from being a staple in the rotation is himself.

Depth for depth's sake is a good thing when you have vets on the bench like Kerr and Steve Smith. But it doesn't help to have young players who sit on the bench for years and get leap-frogged by free agents when a spot opens up. The team has reached their former glory because Pop went with younger players like Green and Leonard instead of retreads like Bogans and MyDyess. I feel it's a mistake to break away from that mentality.

They needed the depth, because they didn't yet (and still don't) know whether Joseph and De Colo are legit NBA players or fringe players.

He's not good enough to be a rotation player for a championship caliber team. Again, maybe he will be down the line, but right now he's not and I don't see that changing by next season.

In general, I agree with you. But in this specific situation, you have to ask yourself what's more important: The development of two minimal prospects or trying to win a championship (with only two shots left at it)? Leonard and Green are poor examples since it was obvious immediately in both cases that they could be instant contributors.

[Seventyniner]

Is it possible that the deal is exactly half the MLE?

[Mel_13]

Is it possible that the deal is exactly half the MLE?

I had the same thought.

[HarlemHeat37]

I haven't checked the defensive metrics but I'm assuming you're making this assessment based on that and an eye test (you probably watch Eastern conference basketball more than anybody here).

His defensive metrics are horrible, and eye test confirms..I went to plenty of Raptors games when he played for them, too..

He's one of the worst perimeter defenders in the league, although he's better than Neal, like I said earlier..

[Bruno]

Aside of the room exception or part of the MLE dilemma, I do like Belinelli. He is a just a good basketball player. $6M/2 years is a very reasonable contract.

In addition of not keeping Neal, Spurs should also really get rid one way or another of De Colo. He will be buried behind a glut of guards, will never play, won't be happy and will whine.

[spursince#99]

I think a lot of you will be surprised by what Belinelli brings to the table. That could go either way, tbqh.

[objective]

Hopefully Ferry or Lindsay absorb Nando for free.

[Mel_13]

Aside of the room exception or part of the MLE dilemma, I do like Belinelli. He is a just a good basketball player. $6M/2 years is a very reasonable contract.

In addition of not keeping Neal, Spurs should also really get rid one way or another of De Colo. He will be buried behind a glut of guards, will never play, won't be happy and will whine.

I wonder if Ferry and Bud would be interested.

[Chinook]

We'll have to disagree on the first part with respect to Mills/Belinelli.

I agree with your take about internal improvement in general, but I don't believe that Mills is a player that will have an an effect on the team's chances. In my mind, he is what he is, a deep bench player.

I guess. TD 21 agrees with you on that.

But it's not even so much Mills as it is the rotation that's going to come for this. Either Ginobili or Green will be a three most of the time (which is possible but undesirable in my opinion) or one of the two-guards is going to play as a backup point-guard. I sort of understood playing Neal at the one when Ginobili was firmly established as the bench's play-maker. But now that he seems to need help, I'd rather have a legitimate point-guard prospect next to him. I don't want to see Belinelli push Joseph and De Colo out of the rotation.

[Mel_13]

I guess. TD 21 agrees with you on that.

But it's not even so much Mills as it is the rotation that's going to come for this. Either Ginobili or Green will be a three most of the time (which is possible but undesirable in my opinion) or one of the two-guards is going to play as a backup point-guard. I sort of understood playing Neal at the one when Ginobili was firmly established as the bench's play-maker. But now that he seems to need help, I'd rather have a legitimate point-guard prospect next to him. I don't want to see Belinelli push Joseph and De Colo out of the rotation.

I agree on Joseph. IMO, this move means that Nando has to be traded.

[kobyz]

To you all! Don't have no doubt about it, Neal is the better player between the two! much better shooter and better winner, it's ugly to see how some of you give him bad name, don't appreciate him right and not understand what good character he was for the spurs... Belli is maybe more hyped and flashy player but not as quality as Neal, not a pure shooter like him and not great at ude like him, on his national team he even gain name of a quitter.

[Budkin]

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Thanks everyone. Obviously this is the place to go.

[Leetonidas]

Reread what you said. You're the actual dumb , you clown.

lol ing re

room exception = 5.4 for 2 years
if he took 5.6 it means they used part of the MLE and won't likely be able to get Kirilenko with it.


dumbass

[TheGreatYacht]

To you all! Don't have no doubt about it, Neal is the better player between the two! much better shooter and better winner, it's ugly to see how some of you give him bad name, don't appreciate him right and not understand what good character he was for the spurs... Belli is maybe more hyped and flashy player but not as quality as Neal, not a pure shooter like him and not great at ude like him, on his national team he even gain name of a quitter.

All you Spurs fans that were hating on my boy Gary Neal throughout the playoffs because of his defense and shot selection, well you got your wishes handled to you. "You don't know what you have until you lose it." I've seen people hate on Danny Green yet he's making half the $$$ that Re , Kevin Martin, and Kyle Korver are. But you'll are ok with Manu getting over paid when he's way past his prime? Shame on you.

[Drom John]

We are one Ginoboli injury away from using de Colo.

[Bruno]

I wonder if Ferry and Bud would be interested.

I'm more betting on Utah and Lindsey.

hawks have a lot of guards with Jeff Teague, Lou Williams, John Jenkins and Dennis Schröder.

[objective]

So far, would it be safe to say that this would be the cheapest Spurs team in many years?

Going by total or by % over the cap, Holt has to be loving this. Finals run of full 7 games for all that revenue, but not having to spend any money on rings or a parade. Followed up by a cheap free agency and no amnesty.

Sweet.

[Texas_Ranger]

Aside of the room exception or part of the MLE dilemma, I do like Belinelli. He is a just a good basketball player. $6M/2 years is a very reasonable contract.

In addition of not keeping Neal, Spurs should also really get rid one way or another of De Colo. He will be buried behind a glut of guards, will never play, won't be happy and will whine.

If De Colo is traded, let's say for a draft pick, do we clear some cap?

[timvp]

$6M/2 years is a very reasonable contract.

What's strange is that Belinelli signed for $2M last year with the Bulls. Then his stats drop from the previous year ... yet he lands a contract almost triple as large.

Weird.

I don't think this contract for Belinelli is bad or good. It's not bad because you have to compare it to contracts players like Re and Korver landed. But it's not good because coming into the offseason, the room exception is the absolute ceiling I would have projected him of getting.

[spursince#99]

Hopefully we get rid of all the scrub point guards getting front row seats at the game for free. Actually, we're paying them, what a shame. In all seriousness, De Colo has to go. I can no longer tolerate his presence around the team. He's officially a cancer.