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    She's got better court vision iirc.

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    They fell for the ol "advanced stats without context" trap, read earlier in this thread and you'll see it
    It's so illogical.

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    First of all, he's not really a natural point guard. McCallum is more of a shooting guard in a point guard body. But, hey, it works for Patty Mills and with the return of Ginobili, the backup point guard really doesn't need to be a playmaker with natural passing acuity.

    McCallum has good size (I'd say he's solidly built ~6-foot-2) for a point guard and pretty good athleticism. The Kings never really had him play much defense but he has the tools succeed. He won't be as good as Joseph on D but it wouldn't be a surprise if he becomes the best defensive PG on the team.

    Why he might be even a better fit than Joseph is that he can shoot threes. And not only wide open threes, he could become the type of volume three-point shooter who can knock down contested looks. He slumped on three-pointers last year but going for the Kings to the Spurs will result in much better looks, which should elevate that percentage.
    He is, in the sense that he can't credibly defend SG's or essentially play SG on offense. Ginobili is ancient, Parker is old and neither is particularly durable, so the third PG needs to at least be a caretaker type.

    He's over listed and doesn't have as good of size as the listings suggest, as SpursFan8six alluded to.

    The jury's out on whether he can shoot threes. He shot it well, with limited volume as a rookie, then shot it poorly, with higher albeit still limited volume as a sop re. Before that, he had the rep as a sub par outside shooter.

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    I guess the Spurs could have done worse, but I agree that Joseph was a much better player than McCallum so I don't expect this kid to stand out immediately.
    Since Joseph was not a stand out player, I don't think the bar is set particularly high. His production is very close to what Joseph gave and the Spurs didn't have to pay Joseph money to get it.

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    He's cheaper, that's about it. But it's a good pickup at that price range, and the Spurs are simply tight money-wise.
    Definitely. And he may even get a more consistent role, since Parker is only going to get older. But it's very hard to say he's actually a better basketball player with a straight face. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cory end up as the starting PG for Toronto by the end of next season. And I'll think he'll put up good numbers, even though he'll also struggle at times adjusting.

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    I think Cory will have a breakout season next year and people will realize that he's probably a better basketball player but for what the Spurs ask out of their third string PG, no reason to think McCallum can't do the same things and do just as good a job as Cory learned to do over time. Seems like a smart kid and a hard worker and it looks like he has the necessary tools from a basketball standpoint.

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    I think Cory will have a breakout season next year and people will realize that he's probably a better basketball player but for what the Spurs ask out of their third string PG, no reason to think McCallum can't do the same things and do just as good a job as Cory learned to do over time. Seems like a smart kid and a hard worker and it looks like he has the necessary tools from a basketball standpoint.
    I think he's good enough. Not championship calibre, but good enough to even start in the regular season.

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    I think Cory will have a breakout season next year and people will realize that he's probably a better basketball player but for what the Spurs ask out of their third string PG, no reason to think McCallum can't do the same things and do just as good a job as Cory learned to do over time. Seems like a smart kid and a hard worker and it looks like he has the tools to be successful.
    I also think that Pop will continue to make the third PG an stable rotation player, which should help McCallum's production in relation to Cory's when he was in SA. Ray's not very big, but there are enough teams that play two small guards in their second unit that I could see him getting the nod over Anderson as the sixth perimeter player in a given game's rotation.

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    Ray is not a better basketball player than Joseph.

    The only upside Ray has over Joseph is his willingness to shoot open threes, other than that he's an inferior defender, inferior PnR player.s

    Jospeh had a defined role with the spurs, be the defensive PG. I don't know what Ray's role will because he doesn't have a particular skillset that is consistent. Sometimes he can be a good shooter, sometimes the opposing guard might be small enough for him to guard...But he is way too inconsistent to have a defined role.

    The good thing is that, he did all those with the kings. It's possible he's a better player than what he's showed in that hole organization.

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    Ray is not a better basketball player than Joseph.

    The only upside Ray has over Joseph is his willingness to shoot open threes, other than that he's an inferior defender, inferior PnR player.s

    Jospeh had a defined role with the spurs, be the defensive PG. I don't know what Ray's role will because he doesn't have a particular skillset that is consistent. Sometimes he can be a good shooter, sometimes the opposing guard might be small enough for him to guard...But he is way too inconsistent to have a defined role.

    The good thing is that, he did all those with the kings. It's possible he's a better player than what he's showed in that hole organization.
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    I also think that Pop will continue to make the third PG an stable rotation player, which should help McCallum's production in relation to Cory's when he was in SA. Ray's not very big, but there are enough teams that play two small guards in their second unit that I could see him getting the nod over Anderson as the sixth perimeter player in a given game's rotation.
    So what other wing are you hoping the Spurs take a look at to finish up the roster? I know you liked Ellington but with him off the table who out there do you think the Spurs should target?

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    This experiment can't end any worse than Errors... so there's that.

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    How many meaningful minutes did Joseph play in this year's playoffs? I'm sure this kid can do that. In our price range, and comes out our pocket when cap increase and more options are available. Just needed a plug in for 3rd minutes at a reasonable price, not a game changer.

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    So what other wing are you hoping the Spurs take a look at to finish up the roster? I know you liked Ellington but with him off the table who out there do you think the Spurs should target?
    I actually like the Simmons signing. I thought it was going to be Eddie, but I'm happy with what they got. I don't think they need to go into cap with another guaranteed contract on the wing. I do think they should consider grabbing a vet to end the season, though. Maybe someone from China.

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    I actually like the Simmons signing. I thought it was going to be Eddie, but I'm happy with what they got. I don't think they need to go into cap with another guaranteed contract on the wing. I do think they should consider grabbing a vet to end the season, though. Maybe someone from China.
    Stephon Marbury?

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    No.

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    I actually like the Simmons signing. I thought it was going to be Eddie, but I'm happy with what they got. I don't think they need to go into cap with another guaranteed contract on the wing. I do think they should consider grabbing a vet to end the season, though. Maybe someone from China.
    Andre Blatche?

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    I was kidding, tbh.

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    http://www.nba.com/spurs/ray-mccallum-dream-come-true

    Ray McCallum: "Like A Dream Come True"

    By: Lorne Chan Spurs.com

    Ray McCallum was keeping track of the NBA’s wild offseason in the same way as most fans, through Twitter and TV reports. He was particularly impressed by the Spurs’ moves, he said, when he got a phone call one night last week.

    It was Spurs general manager R.C. Buford welcoming him to the team.

    “It was a random, unexpected call, and probably one of the best I’ve ever gotten,” McCallum said. “Sitting at home watching the offseason unfold, then finding myself thrown into that group of Spurs players, it’s like a dream come true.”

    McCallum, a 6-foot-3 guard, was acquired in a trade with Sacramento on Thursday. A 2013 Kings draft pick, McCallum averaged 6.9 points, 2.7 assists and 20.7 minutes per game the past two seasons.

    He’s marveled at the Spurs from the Pacific Division, studying guard Tony Parker for years and calling him “one of the best in the game.”

    “I’ve looked up to the Spurs for a while,” McCallum said. “It was frustrating to play against the Spurs, because they always found a way to win. They always make that extra pass and close out, and I think I’ll fit in well.”

    After backup guard Cory Joseph signed with Toronto last week after four seasons with the Spurs, Ray McCallum will likely take over Joseph’s role on the Spurs’ roster.
    They posted similar numbers last season, as Joseph played 1,444 minutes while McCallum played 1,436 minutes. Joseph averaged 6.8 points and 2.4 assists with the Spurs and McCallum had 7.4 points and 2.8 assists for the Kings.

    “McCallum fills a big need,” Buford said. “Cory’s play and his presence in our group can’t be overstated. Replacing Cory’s fire, passion and personality as well as 1,500 minutes of really good play was important for us. To go out and get a player like Ray fills a big hole.”

    McCallum, a Detroit native, was a McDonald’s All-American in high school and received scholarship offers from college powers such as UCLA and Arizona. He chose to stay home at University of Detroit instead, and with good reason.

    His father, Ray McCallum Sr., is Detroit’s basketball coach.

    As a sop re, McCallum led Detroit to its first NCAA tournament appearance in 13 years. As a junior, he was named the Horizon League player of the year.

    “It’s a rare opportunity to get to play for your dad,” McCallum said. “It helped me better myself not only as a player, but as a man, too, And when I called him after talking to R.C. to tell him I was a Spur, I think my dad was more excited than me.”

    Foregoing his senior year, McCallum was a second-round draft pick by the Kings at No. 36 overall in the 2013 NBA Draft. He averaged 6.2 points and 2.7 assists as a rookie, making 10 starts in 45 games.

    McCallum was named MVP of the 2014 Las Vegas Summer League, and saw a boost in playing time for his sop re season. He started all 30 games after the 2015 All-Star break for the Kings, averaging 11.2 points and 4.3 assists in those games.

    He said he hopes to be seen as a high-energy guard who can create opportunities on the defensive end.

    According to SportVU data, McCallum was one of the NBA’s fastest players, with an average speed of 4.6 miles per hour in games. Only two players, Patty Mills and Cory Joseph had a speed of 4.7 or higher last season.

    “Spurs fans will see someone who plays quick, plays fast and does whatever the team needs,” McCallum said. “I look at the banners here and I love that it’s all about winning. I think this is going to feel like home pretty quickly.”

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    http://www.nba.com/spurs/ray-mccallum-dream-come-true


    According to SportVU data, McCallum was one of the NBA’s fastest players, with an average speed of 4.6 miles per hour in games. Only two players, Patty Mills and Cory Joseph had a speed of 4.7 or higher last season.
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    That indeed is a surprise. I didn't think that Joseph was that fast. Spurs had the two fastest players in the league?

    Is this a measurement of game time speed?

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    Is he faster then ka

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    This kid has a better career high in points (RS) than Leonard

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