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    The Freedom Caucus will reject anything that gets changed in the senate. They're calling the shots at the house level.
    The wild card in the deck to be sure.

    My gut says the Freedom Caucus will do this, but we'll get to see. If you want to bet on something certain, bet on these asshats to take the most extreme stand possible on any given topic.

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    Hospitals: Assessing an earlier version of the bill, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that some 24 million fewer people would have health insurance in a decade. Some of those people would still have medical emergencies and require hospital care. Obamacare made substantial cuts in how much Medicare pays hospitals, on the theory that they would make up the difference with more paying customers. The Republican bill does not restore any of the Medicare cuts. Hospitals in poor communities where a lot of people signed up for Medicaid would probably experience the biggest hit.
    This is something I don't think people understand. Medicare reimbursement has been going down while healthcare costs continue to rise. You can't cut insurance on millions of people including access to preventative care and expect hospitals to just eat it. There will be a breaking point in which some facilities won't be able to keep their doors open. Something has to give somewhere, especially with hospitals having capacity issues all over the place.

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    After passing the bestest Bill for Health Care and celebrating it with Donald, the Republicans are now asking the Senate to fix it. Makes perfect sense. We got a 2 vote win on a piece of crap. Help!

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    don't worry. the best healthcare will be available to us all.


    and this warren buffet guy............sheesh saying its just cuz trump wants to fund a tax cut for guys like him.


    who the does this buffet guy think he is?


    what would he know about it?

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    children's health and nutrition just another Repug bullying chip

    Republicans: Nice little children's health program you got there, shame if anything happened to it

    Republicans may seek to delay consideration of renewed funding for CHIP to use it as leverage to get Democrats and moderate Republicans to support their broad healthcare reform legislation, said Joe Antos, a conservative health policy expert at the American Enterprise Ins ute.

    Others predict funding for federally qualified community health centers also may become part of the negotiations.

    That worries children's healthcare advocates, who argue CHIP — which has enjoyed bipartisan support since its creation 20 years ago — is so important to the 8.4 million low- and moderate-income children it covers that it should be kept out of the looming partisan war over the AHCA.

    An estimated two million CHIP enrollees have serious chronic conditions. […]


    "If you do mortal damage to Medicaid, which the AHCA does, it would spill over to CHIP, which is joined at the hip with Medicaid,"

    said Sara Rosenbaum, a George Washington University law professor who served until recently as chair of the Medicaid and CHIP Payment and Access Commission (MACPAC).
    Republicans have shown they're willing to do just about anything when it comes to ripping away people's healthcare,

    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017...happened-to-it

    Repugs, their -master oligarchy, and Repug voters are ALL ing assholes.



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    Only One-Third of Americans Support Trumpcare

    31% of Americans favor the American Health Care Act, which narrowly passed the Republican-controlled House last week, while

    44% oppose the bill and

    25% are unsure.

    Interestingly,

    Trump voters have now coalesced around the bill in a way they failed to do earlier this spring with 75% now supportive of the proposed legislation.

    http://www.pensitoreview.com/2017/05...ort-trumpcare/

    Trash voters now overwhelmingly support the Repugs screwing them, "winning" them into sickness, disease, death.

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    It’s Not Just Trump:

    Republicans Constantly Lying About Health Care

    Means Reporters Face A Growing Challenge




    The erratic new president has unleashed a torrent of lies in the place of public policy discussion, but the serial mendacity on the right is hardly limited to Trump. That means journalists face a growing challenge in trying to ferret out the facts.

    After voting to pass a sweeping health care bill with no formal cost assessment, which hadn’t been marked up in policy committees, and which hadn’t even been read by all members of Congress, Republicans have been on an extraordinary public relations campaign to support the controversial legislation.


    The push is extraordinary because Republican officials, led by Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, are

    aggressively fabricating claims about the bill that’s now pending before the Senate.

    In a Trump era of endless firsts, this is likely the

    first time we’ve seen a major American political party try to pass a landmark social policy initiative by categorically misstating almost every key claim about the bill.

    No, the House bill does not protect people with pre-existing conditions.

    It does not protect older Americans from increased insurance costs.

    It does not mean everyone will be charged the same for insurance.

    The bill wasn’tbipartisan.” And it

    does not allow “for every single person to get the access to the kind of coverage that they want,”

    as Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price claims.


    If it did those things, the bill wouldn’t be controversial, would it? So instead,

    Republicans are committed to selling a fantasy version of the House bill

    -- and hoping the press doesn’t call them out on it.


    “What really stands out, however, is the Orwell-level dishonesty of the whole effort,” wrote New York Times columnist Paul Krugman.

    “Everything about Trumpcare is specifically designed to do exactly the opposite of what Trump, Paul Ryan and other Republicans said it would.”

    This represents

    a dangerous new age in American politics. If Republicans succeed by lying about their health care plan, there’s no telling what the next target of GOP fabrications will be.


    https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/20...rica+-+Blog%29

    Repugs' BIGGEST LIE: AHCA isn't about health care at all. It's a TAX CUT FOR THE OLIGARCHY



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    Paul Ryan’s next move is an attempt to privatize Medicare

    Ryan hasn’t stopped dreaming of a Medicare overhaul that could hike premiums and cost many elderly people their insurance.

    Giddy from his recent health care win, House Speaker Paul Ryan said he looks forward to tackling an overhaul of Medicare, which would leave many seniors without coverage or with higher premiums. On Friday, Speaker Ryan told the conservative radio host, Vicki McKenna, that he would like to see a plan for overhauling Medicare this year. He said the plan is part of an “ongoing conversation” with the Trump administration.

    Last month, Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney commented on a possible Medicare overhaul by saying the administration could “talk about it,” and that absolute resistance to the idea was “not a really conducive way to sort of maintain a relationship between the executive and the administrative branch.”

    Speaker Ryan has been interested in making dramatic changes to Medicare for years. His 2015 budget plan, much like his previous budget plans, creates a voucher system for people to buy private insurance or traditional fee-for-service Medicare.

    https://thinkprogress.org/paul-ryans...e-a96eb9ac0a23

    Repugs UP everything they touch because they are paid to it up for the 99%.



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    With all eyes on Trump, GOP Congress is still working to strip health care from millions

    New analysis suggests that 6 million people could lose insurance due to pre-existing conditions under GOP's bill

    A new analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation, however, shows that millions of Americans could return to those days when having a pre-existing condition meant not having decent insurance, or indeed, any insurance at all.

    there’s a huge loophole built into the AHCA that, according to the Kaiser analysis, will allow as many as 6 million people with pre-existing conditions to be priced out of health insurance.
    Under the AHCA, individual states will be allowed to let insurance companies charge whatever they want to anyone who lets their insurance coverage lapse for 63 days or more.

    “Using the most recent National Health Interview Survey (NHIS), we estimate that

    27.4 million non-elderly adults nationally had a gap in coverage of at least several months in 2015,”

    the Kaiser write-up explains.“This includes 6.3 million people (or 23% of everyone with at least a several-month gap) who have a pre-existing condition that would have led to a denial of insurance in the pre-ACA individual market and would lead to a substantial premium surcharge under AHCA community rating waiver.”


    “There’s no limit on how much more they can be charged and there are no assurances about what they would get or even if they would be able to get insurance under the bill,”

    http://www.salon.com/2017/05/21/with...from-millions/

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    Maybe the AHCA didn’t really pass the House, after all

    Whoopsies.

    This happened.
    House Republicans barely managed to pass their Obamacare repeal bill earlier this month, and they now face the possibility of having to vote again on their controversial health measure.

    House Speaker Paul Ryan hasn’t yet sent the bill to the Senate because there’s a chance that parts of it may need to be redone, depending on how the Congressional Budget Office estimates its effects. House leaders want to make sure the bill conforms with Senate rules for reconciliation, a mechanism that allows Senate Republicans to pass the bill with a simple majority.
    The bill hasn't left Ryans desk. He is sitting on it.

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    Trash sabotage blamed as 'single most destabilizing factor in the individual market' by insurers

    The Trump regime's decision to punt on payments to health insurers in the Obamacare markets is continuing to mess up the individual insurance market, and the next rate hikes and instability in that market—on and off of the Obamacare exchanges—are squarely the fault of Trump and the Republicans says the whole healthcare industry, but especially health insurers.

    An alliance of health insurers, doctors and employers are urging the Trump administration and Congress to fund cost-sharing subsidies for millions of Americans under the Affordable Care Act.

    Politico reported Friday that Trump is telling “advisers he wants to end key Obamacare subsidies.”

    […]
    “There now is clear evidence that this uncertainty is undermining the individual insurance market for 2018 and stands to negatively impact millions of people,” several powerful groups representing hospitals, doctors, patients, insurance companies and U.S. employers wrote in a letter to Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and GOP Majority Whip John Cornyn of Texas.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/5...28Daily+Kos%29

    Trash and Repugs ING UP AMERICA and AMERICANS


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    Barack Obama Left One Great Trap For Republicans And It Is Causing A GOP Catastrophe



    The Obamacare trap is real for Congressional Republicans:

    "And now the president's threatening that he's not going to approve the money for the insurance subsidies — it is going to be a catastrophic political problem ..."

    The trap is the same trap as Social Security and Medicare: Now that people have their insurance, they don’t want to lose it.

    The problem for Republicans is they have been running on repealing Obamacare and its regulations that protect consumers, so they have to do something.

    Their “something” was so heinous it activated the People to show up at town halls and relentlessly call their representatives.

    How important is the Obamacare issue?

    The Montana special election is closer than it should be. A senior Republican strategist told Politico if Republicans “cannot come up with better candidates and better campaigns, this cycle is going to be even worse than anybody ever thought it could be.”

    Trump won Montana 56 to Clinton’s 35.

    But Democrat Rob Quist is running on helping people keep their insurance. He calls Trumpcare the “UnAmerican health care bill.”

    His GOP opponent Greg Gianforte got busted on tape supporting the Republican atrocity.

    Quist’s campaign said it raised over $550,000 after Gianforte got caught supporting the Republican bill.

    This is part of what is making this special election in red red Montana an actual race. Yes, the Republican is expected to win, but it all comes down to turnout in a special election.


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    23 Million Fewer Americans Would Have Health Coverage Under Obamacare Repeal Plan, Budget Office Confirms

    The agency also predicted the deficit would come down by $119 billion over the next decade ― and that premiums for people buying insurance on their own would be relatively lower than those premiums would be if the Affordable Care Act stays in place.

    But the reasons health insurance would be less expensive for some aren’t much to cheer about, the budget report makes clear.

    Prices would come down for healthy people because those who are sick or have illness in their medical histories would have less access to coverage ― and the policies available on the market would tend to be a lot less comprehensive.


    In other words, the price for lower premiums would be some combination of higher out-of-pocket costs, fewer covered services, and coverage that would be harder to get for the people who need it most.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...-24T204049486Z

    Combine Ryan's AHCA disaster for the sick and poor with Trash's budget disaster, and you get America The Beautiful.




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    Iowa's GOP senators get real with cons uents: Obamacare repeal ain't happening

    Iowa's GOP senators started leveling with their cons uents Tuesday about how incapable Republicans really are when it comes to carrying out the promise they've made for four continuous elections cycles to repeal Obamacare. The New York Times writes:

    "You can't repeal it in its entirety," [Sen. Joni] Ernst told reporters after a joint appearance with Grassley in suburban Des Moines.

    It was a frank admission from loyal conservatives representing a state Republican Donald Trump carried in November.


    The Senate's filibuster rule means that Republicans — who control the Senate with 52 seats — can't repeal the entire law.


    "You've got to have 60 votes and we don't have 60 votes at this point," [Sen. Chuck] Grassley said.


    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...tail=emaildkre

    bull . ACA-hater corrupt Tom Price can do tremendous harm by modifying, adding implementation rules. Trash can stop the subsidies to destroy the exchanges, etc.



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    Senate Republicans Are Screwed on Trumpcare, and They Know It

    Which means that unless Senate Republicans repudiate their own Congressional Budget Office (whose director they appointed), they’ll have to either vote to take away healthcare for 23 million people, or come up with their own plan.

    But if they try to come up with their own plan, they’ll soon discover there’s no way to insure those 23 million without

    (1) mandating that healthy people buy insurance, so that sick people with pre-existing conditions can afford it; and

    (2) keeping the existing taxes on rich people so that poor people can afford to buy health insurance.


    In other words, they’ll be back to the Affordable Care Act.

    Some Senate Republicans will no doubt claim that the Affordable Care Act can’t be sustained in its present form because private insurers are beginning to bail out of it.

    That’s an awkward argument for Republicans to make because Republicans themselves have been responsible for this problem.


    in the end the logic is unavoidable: They’ll have to strengthen the Affordable Care Act.

    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...ow_it_20170529

    To repeat, Trumpcare is a bogus health care pkg hiding a MASSIVE tax cut for BigCorp and the top quintile.

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    Trumpcare Is on the March

    Senate Republicans are down to the nitty-gritty. Passing a bill could be next.

    Like the House, the Senate intends to cut Medicaid. Unlike House members, though, senators are at least sensitive to the impression that

    they’re looting Medicaid for as much money as they need to fund tax cuts.

    While the House-passed American Health Care Act would abruptly end the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion in 2020, the Senate will likely take a more palliative approach.

    Leadership reportedly wants to phase out the Medicaid expansion over three years, beginning in 2020.



    Another dispute involves the growth rate that would be applied to the new Medicaid system.

    Like the House,

    the Senate intends to convert Medicaid from its current open-ended federal match rate structure to one of per capita spending caps or block grants, either of which set finite amounts to federal Medicaid spending.

    The question is by which inflation measure these set amounts will grow. The House bill uses the medical component of the Consumer Price Index, with higher rates for certain classes of beneficiaries.
    Conservatives would prefer a slower growth rate, like standard CPI

    If senators opt for a growth rate considerably slower than projected medical inflation, Medicaid could eventually wither on the vine.

    Though some senators may not like the idea of tying off the Medicaid expansion and overhauling Medicaid’s structure in a way the Congressional Budget Office says will remove millions of people from the health care roll,

    they’ll apparently do it in order to pass a bill.

    There is still vigorous debate over the ACA’s health insurance regulations, too, and which ones the Senate version bill will allow states to waive.

    Essential health benefits?

    Community rating by health status?

    How much more insurers can charge old people than young?

    Some conservatives may want all of these regulations to be optional; some moderates may not want any of them.

    The structure is in place, and senators are beginning to fall in line.

    The House bill was never dead on arrival in the Senate; it was just going to get a touch-up.

    Trumpcare is on the move.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/06/trumpcare_is_on_the_march.html

    Repugs gonna the poor to enrich the BigCorp and the wealthy.

    America The Beautiful, owned by oligarchy, for the oligarchy, run by their Repug s.





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    Senate GOP won’t subject its health care bill to public scrutiny until the last possible minute

    The bill is nearing completion, but Republicans don’t plan to make a draft public.

    Senate Republicans plan to send their health care bill to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) for analysis but don’t yet have a plan to release a draft of the bill for public scrutiny, according to Axios.

    “We aren’t stupid,” an aide to a Senate Republican told Axios.

    Polling shared by Fox News on Friday indicates that the AHCA is more unpopular than ever, with just a 17 percent approval rating.

    Trump administration reacted to the CBO’s evaluation of the House version by going on the offensive against the nonpartisan budget office, arguing that its assessments can’t be trusted.

    Before the 2014 election that returned control of the Senate to Republicans,

    McConnell “pledged to send bills through committees, even if it might upset members of his own conference,”

    as The Hill reported in May of that year. But last week, McConnell gave

    the health care bill “fast track” status, meaning it can skip the committee process altogether.

    https://thinkprogress.org/senate-gop...c-e2ddd9f90ecb

    McConnell, Repugs says the CBO isn't "credible", can't be "trusted"?

    https://thinkprogress.org/senate-gop...c-e2ddd9f90ecb

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    Think you're safe from Trumpcare in your blue state? Think again

    If you've got a pre-existing condition, you're screwed.
    If you're on Medicare, you're not safe, either.

    If you're a child, it's potentially catastrophic.

    If you have insurance through your employer, you're sunk, too.

    You might feel shielded because you live in a blue state, with a Democratic governor or legislature, and

    you think the waivers for states that would make the Affordable Care Act's provisions protecting people with pre-existing conditions won't be taken by your lawmakers.


    But in interviews with Mother Jones, health care experts warn that Cole is wrong:

    If the GOP bill becomes law, many states will indeed eliminate preexisting-condition protections and/or at least some of Obamacare’s requirements that insurance plans cover a range of standard treatments, including maternity care and mental health.

    And it wouldn’t just be states that voted for President Donald Trump. Under the GOP bill, even progressive states might have to take drastic measures to prevent their health insurance markets from exploding. […]

    Experts say states would likely face enormous pressure to adopt at least some of the waiver options.

    In part, that would arise from insurance company lobbying; the industry spent tens of millions lobbying at the federal level in 2016 alone.

    But the basic market dynamics created by the GOP bill would play a role as well, potentially creating an industry death spiral if states refuse to allow price discrimination based on health conditions.

    "Insurers would be putting pressure on states, saying, 'We can't operate in this market. We won't participate at all unless you start rolling back these protections,'"

    says says Edwin Park, vice president for health policy at the liberal-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.


    Insurance companies would face an immediate crunch if the Republican bill became law.

    The legislation ends Obamacare's individual mandate this year, removing a major incentive for healthy people to buy insurance.

    The bill also reduces the amount of money the government offers in subsidies to help lower-income people pay their premiums.

    With less help from the government, healthy people would have even more reason not to buy insurance.


    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/12/1671100/-Think-you-re-safe-from-Trumpcare-in-your-blue-state-Think-again

    17% still support the Repugs' sociopathic, murderous pile of !



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    Trump Just Destroyed Trumpcare By Bashing Health Care Bill To Republican Senators

    Donald Trump may have put the final nail in the coffin of the Republican health care bill by telling Senators that he thought the House passed bill was "mean," and that he wants the Senate bill to be more generous.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/...iticus+USA+%29

    but his own budget isn't extremely more mean? he's one stupid .



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    Trump Shows Up In Wisconsin for 5 Minutes, Lies About ObamaCare, then Hides From Russia Scandal

    Trump was supposed to give a statement on health care, so he showed up for 5 minutes in Wisconsin, lied about the Affordable Care Act then ran back to Air Force One to resume hiding from the Russia scandal.

    Five minutes into Trump’s lie-filled tirade, he waved his hand to the crowd and walked away.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/...iticus+USA+%29

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    Trump Shows Up In Wisconsin for 5 Minutes, Lies About ObamaCare, then Hides From Russia Scandal

    Trump was supposed to give a statement on health care, so he showed up for 5 minutes in Wisconsin, lied about the Affordable Care Act then ran back to Air Force One to resume hiding from the Russia scandal.

    Five minutes into Trump’s lie-filled tirade, he waved his hand to the crowd and walked away.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/...iticus+USA+%29
    Dang.

    Dude is losing it.

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