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Exactly, what's the big deal with a necklace? Why are they being banned?
Why do they need a dress code in the first place?
Spare us the "what's the big deal" crap, because it goes both ways.
You have got to be kidding me....18 pages? COM'N! This is rediculous. It's as if some players think that this policy will restrict them from wearing such restricted appearal at all times. You have to dress in a presentable way for 3 hours. Boo ing Hoo. I thought Steven Jackson presented his opinion in a respectful manner, but other players have taken an immature stance on this issue. Jackson disagreed with the guidlines of the dress code, spoke his peace, and moved on. It's a ING chain, get over it. This isn't an issue of race, it's an issue that some are attempting to racialize. Why are so many in this nation overly sensitive? Get over yourself, grow up, be a man. It's just clothing. It's not like their enfringing some 1st amendment right. Technically speaking, NBA player's are entertainers. Therefore, appearance is vital to the growth and expansion of the NBA.
Exactly, what's the big deal with a necklace? Why are they being banned?
Why do they need a dress code in the first place?
Spare us the "what's the big deal" crap, because it goes both ways.
But it's a business of largely white folks. The MLB does not have to ins ute a dress code because the NBA does, nor should the NBA drop it because MLB doesn't do it.
But it's appalling to me that the polls show that people think the largely 'black' business of the NBA needs to be regulated with a dress code which eliminates cultural apparel associated with 'black' folks but that the equivilantly poor attire by baseball stars (who are mostly white) does not need to be regulated in the same way.
That is atrocious.
I wholeheartedly agree. Get over it, bigots, it's just a necklace.Get over yourself, grow up, be a man. It's just clothing.
I just tend to think that no one in their right mind watches baseball anyway unless its the world series, and even then they watch something else and flip back to the game every once in a while to check the score. I dont think anyone has actually seen how a baseball player dresses because no one cares about baseball.
/joke
Romie is going off TD. Basically, he is saying Tim never says anything about anything but he seems shocked that he has opinion on the dress code.
One of the emails he read was satirizing Bill Parcells and his no disrespect to the "orientals" blast.
"No disrespect to the re s, but the NBA dress code is re ed."
Sincerely,
Tim Duncan
Last edited by slayermin; 10-20-2005 at 11:53 AM.
Actually I think it's pretty offensive. A re ed person would have come up with a much better plan.
No, not true. It does not go both ways. The NBA is the employer, they make the rules, fair and simple. This is not a complicated issue. Unfortunately, others would like you to believe it is. This is about the image of the NBA. It isn't so much about the actual appearal, as it is about the actions of some. But, as we know, the actions of a few can lead to consequences for everyone. So what can be done? Well, players such as Tim Duncan, Stephen Jackson, who oppose the dress code, should use their position to influence the actions of other players, so that these actions will not be necessary. If every player were to conduct himself in the same manner of David, then this wouldn't be an issue. No one would care what they wore. But, the appearal of many athletes, is associated with a negitive image in our society. Is that fair? No, but it's life. You want to make a difference. Go out with "gold medallion" and make a difference in someone's life. Go to the community kitchen, help an ederly person carry their groceries in from their car, opening doors for others, especially your date. I'm talking to the common folk. Actions speak the loudest of all. You want to shake this image, then end the words of hate. Stop the voilence. Unfortunately, the actions of a few have brought forth these consequences, but it will take many to make it right.
I'm not going to post any more on this thread but here are my concluding thoughts.
I am really disappointed by this dress code imposition on NBA players. IMO, Racism (either through hidden agenda or direct) still exists to a large extent and it's sad that NBA makes money by the virtue of a particular section of society to give the best basketball product in the world and yet they think money generating is just one way, that is by appeasing the white collar corporate.
The irony in the whole issue is if a black player makes certain stupid comment, then people tend to generalise it to the whole community. Also, if a black guy protests (whether right or wrong) then he is considered an evil.
Dress code is a hidden agenda as much as Bush trying his own be it a domestic or an international policy. Sorry I am mixing politics, but that seems to the only relative thing I could think of as of now. There is no fair thought process put into it before arriving at this dumb idea.
Finally, when you try to excerise your ultimate authority in a senseless manner, we all know how the history looks at you (there was a certain guy in 1930-40s is infamous for that.
Blah blah blah employers blah blah deal with it. We've heard that for the first 18 pages and it's been debunked plenty of times.
You seem to agree that an NBA player dressed in urban clothing and doing good work in the community could help to reverse misperceptions. You seem to believe this would be positive for society. So why don't you believe the NBA should help further that cause by allowing it's role model players to dress in a way that relates to people who look up to them?
And "because the NBA makes the rules" is not an answer. It's a copout.
I'm going to march into the CEO of my company's office this afternoon and tell him that think our company is racist because we all have to wear suits and ties to work... I'll let you know how it works out.
Go for it. Tim Duncan doesn't work in a cubicle. Duncan isn't easily replaced, etc...
Is that policy of suit and tie a direct result of trying rid yourselves of cultural references tied primarily to one ethnic group, while the majority of employees directly affected by the dress code part of that ethnic group?
Also, was this suit and tie policy always in effect or just recently established? Because there is a fair argument to made about changing work environments and employee's rights when new policies are ins uted.
No one is arguing that all dress codes are racist. Just that this particular dress code has racist undertones that may extend into outright racism (each poster has a different view).
I just tend to think that no one in their right mind watches baseball anyway unless its the world series, and even then they watch something else and flip back to the game every once in a while to check the score. I dont think anyone has actually seen how a baseball player dresses because no one cares about baseball.
/joke
See, we can agree on something!
No. But they ARE making these rules BECAUSE of the black players...at least the ones who dress in a manner THEY deem "inappropriate". So, there's not much difference.
I'd be willing to bet that all these people who keep whining about what they, themselves, are forced to wear AT work would admit that no one tells them what they have to wear to and from work, in their cars, on an airplane, walking down the street, in the grocery store, at the pool hall with their buds, or any place else. And if they were told, by anyone, how to dress or not to dress anytime except when they are actually WORKING at their job, they'd tell whoever is telling them that (if they were to be honest) to take a flying f**k in a rolling donut.
NBA basketball players already have a dress code...they have to wear a uniform while they are at work...their actual "work" is performed on a basketball court; that's what they get paid for...and, even if it's indirectly, the fans pay as much of their salaries as their "owners" and certainly more than the "league". And the fans are much more responsible for their success or failure than either the owners or the league. As long as they are living and working in this country, NO ONE in this universe (most certainly not the league) has a right to tell them what to wear when they are not on that court. IMO.
The reason the appearal is being regulated, is due to the actions of others. It has created a negitive image. Unfortunately, the appearal of these few, has become widely associated with a large group of people. Again, unfair, but it's life. A player can go home and wear whatever he pleases, but during 3 hours, give or take an extra hour, they have to abide by league rules. What is so ING hard about wearing presentable attire. I don't get it. Stop whining and ing about it. Again, I'm not talking about players such as T.D., Stephen, but those wishing to have a pay increase so that they might be able to "afford" clothes acceptable by the stated policy. That is the biggest line of bull- , next to Latrell and his starving family. These few are only making the situation worse, and only adding more reason to establish such a policy. I would love to see someone helping their community, in whatever attire. , go out their naked. But, nope, instead of using my actions to influence others, I will use words of ignorance. Pshh. It isn't very hard to see why this rule is being enforced.
Do you have a contract that states that the only time they are "considered" to be "at work" is on the court? They signed a contract with the respective team, for their services at all team events, whether this be a game, press conference, community service. While it may seem that their work is only conducted on the court, that is far from the truth. I agree, that this rule is not fair to some, but it is necessary in order to improve the image of the NBA.
That's one of my pet peeves in life, punishing everyone for what one or two or a few do wrong. If you have a problem with a couple, or several, players, DEAL WITH THEM. Fix the problem at the root. Quit punishing everyone for what you see wrong with a few.
Personally, I think if this sticks, everyone should just start dressing like Shaq (maybe he'll give classes). Then, they'll all look like pimps. But, they will be wearing suits and dress shoes and have their shirts tucked in. Don't know what they'll do about the hats, though, since they've been outlawed.
So basically they can't dress "black". Otherwise, they are fine.
It's obvious what this dress code is targeted at. Cuban admitted that some league sponsors were concerned about the appearance of some NBA players. I'm don't think it was McDonald's or whoever complaining about Ginobili's infrequent haircuts.
Like Dan Patrick said, they might as well call it the "Allen Iverson" rule.
Nope, it's life. Get over it. They signed a contract. No 1st amendment rights are being infringed upon. It's ING clothing. CLOTHING. Terrorist continue to kill, yet we have people ing about what they can and cannot wear. People are rioting, looting in our own streets, yet we are concerned if we can, or cannot wear a madellion to work. An INNOCENT CHILD is being molested, raped, and killed. CLOTHES don't seem so important, regardless of the standpoint. Yeah, Stern could have taken other avenues, but he's the boss, that's the bottom line.
No. But their JOB is basketball; THAT is why they get paid the big bucks. The rest of the stuff the league/team gets out of them (and they get a lot more from some than others) should be considered gravy. And the league/team should be grateful they are doing community service free and willingly and not as a result of some court-mandated probation or something.
No one is disputing that the league can foist rules such as this on the players.
What is in dispute is the rationale for this rule.
Basically the NBA can enforce a rule that is driven by the subtle racism perceived by some NBA sponsors in their target market segments on the players. That's the issue here.
In addition, I will point out that in the NBA, players do have some power. This isn't a large firm with thousands of employees who can be easily replaced. There is a certain balance of power present. If the league pisses off the players enough, they can take action that perhaps the average group of white collared workers slaving away in a catacomb of cubicles cannot.
Is all that stuff gonna magically STOP if the players in the NBA wear suits (or "nice" jeans and sport coats and "dress" shoes, whatever). Will all society's ills be cured if David Stern forces Tim Duncan to tuck in his shirt? If not, that's a lame argument. IMO.
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