Lowe: Celtics starting point for Leonard likely Tatum and Kings 1st

[mo7888]

The Heat have don't have a pick this year and can't trade their 2019 pick. Unless Pop is interested in Olynic, Richardson, Winslow and Bam! -All pretty good but doesn't put us anywhere near le contention and 0 future prospects, no way that happens.

Charlotte can really only offer Kemba, Monk and the 9th pick. Kemba is 28 and will expect a big payday after next season, he doesn't move the needle in terms of le contention to make a move for him at his point, especially when LMA will be 33 next season.

The 9th pick would be nice but we wouldn't be in the Donic, Bagley Jr., Jackson Jr. Territory and that deal would be even more unlikely to happen if PAFTO isn't impressed with Monk.

Knicks aren't moving 'Taps for Kawhi because they'd rather pair the two and he is also several years younger than Kawhi, meaning that their best offer is likely their pick this year and the kid drafted last year.

Orlando has Gordon and the 5th pick, which might land Doncic or one of the too prospects in this draft but that team would be a wasteland even with Kawhi and no guarantee that he would re-sign.

Cleveland could try a 3 teamer with Phoenix (credit to Chinook for the idea)

Cleveland gets;
Kawhi and Mills

Spurs get;
7th pick from Cleveland, 15th and 31st picks from Phoenix

Phoenix gets;
Kevin Love

I still think Boston would give up Tatum and the Kings and Grizzlies picks in a deal for Kawhi while Philly probably would do a Kawhi and Mills deal for Covington, Fultz and Saric plus the 10th pick and Parsecniks.

Of those proposals I like the Philly one best, followed by Cleveland, and then Boston.

[Mugen]

Fultz sucks, Saric is meh...outside of Simmons and Embiid, there's nobody I'd want from Philly

Tatum, Brown and a 1st would be a steal but i doubt Boston would give up that much. I frankly think Ainge would bamboozle RC in any Kawhi trade so I'd prefer not to deal with them.

I'd target a team like Phoenix that has a terrible front office, a re ed owner desperate for a superstar. Try and sell them on Jackson and a top 5 pick for Kawhi. Not sure if they'd deal with the Spurs since Sarver hates us but that'd be terrific tbh

[exstatic]

Of those proposals I like the Philly one best, followed by Cleveland, and then Boston.

It's funny, because I hate the Cleveland one. If you're doing "picks only" for an All NBA player, one of them had better be top 3-5. I'd need PHO to flip a young player in that deal.

My order of the trades proposed by cd021 would be Boston, Philly, then Cleveland.

[spurraider21]

josh jackson

[Mugen]

josh jackson

Jackson and a top 5 pick is exponentially better than Markell Fultz and Dario Saric

[mo7888]

It's funny, because I hate the Cleveland one. If you're doing "picks only" for an All NBA player, one of them had better be top 3-5. I'd need PHO to flip a young player in that deal.

My order of the trades proposed by cd021 would be Boston, Philly, then Cleveland.

It's too many picks for sure but, I think you could package 1 or 2 of our picks in the teens with 7 and move up a couple spots to get a targeted player.

[r0drig0lac]

With a four year extension the Spurs should have no problem getting both, though I doubt they'd get any good picks then. What is Boston going to do with four starting level small forwards?

use them in the sg and sf positions as any modern team

[exstatic]

use them in the sg and sf positions as any modern team

That's still two young high draft picks playing 15 minutes and not starting.

[Joseph Kony]

Fultz sucks, Saric is meh...outside of Simmons and Embiid, there's nobody I'd want from Philly

Tatum, Brown and a 1st would be a steal but i doubt Boston would give up that much. I frankly think Ainge would bamboozle RC in any Kawhi trade so I'd prefer not to deal with them.

I'd target a team like Phoenix that has a terrible front office, a re ed owner desperate for a superstar. Try and sell them on Jackson and a top 5 pick for Kawhi. Not sure if they'd deal with the Spurs since Sarver hates us but that'd be terrific tbh

How does Fultz suck? Kid has barely played. I think he has potential. He looked solid the few times i actually got to see him play

[TheGreatYacht]

I've yet to see a Celtikkks fan on twitter agree on a trade scenario for Kawhi. Even their old fart baby boomer players don't want him.

Don't even give them the time of day. Ainge is a cheap bas and anyone who trades with him is a full blown re . Boston.

[TD 21]

Most likely, either Smart (RFA) isn't re-signed or they sell high on Rozier (could see Suns offering 16 and Celtics selecting Williams or Robinson), whose a year away from being RFA, I'd think. They either have to go all in on Tatum as the nominal PF and Horford as the C or one of Tatum or Brown will have to come off the bench. They'd still get starting caliber minutes backing up the other and Hayward, while closing alongside both.

Cleveland could try a 3 teamer with Phoenix (credit to Chinook for the idea)

Cleveland gets;
Kawhi and Mills

Spurs get;
7th pick from Cleveland, 15th and 31st picks from Phoenix

Phoenix gets;
Kevin Love

Spurs aren't trading Mills unless he has to be a casualty in their acquiring a superstar or star, like he'd have been had Paul wanted to come or had they possessed the requisite assets for Irving.

Can't envision an all pick trade. They'll want a baseline of certainty; that's how trades of this magnitude work generally work. Picks are relative unknowns and outside of the first few always unlikely to turn into a superstar or star. They can't risk trading a superstar for 3 role players.

Sure, Fultz, for example, could be a bust, but at least they could save face because he was and is thought to have star potential.

Fultz sucks

Only in the NBA could you be 19, have played a grand total of 253 minutes (most of which came after either developing a mental block, suffering a structural shoulder injury or both) and already be written off.

[rjv]

there is a great deal more of uncertainty surrounding fultz than there is kawhi. i really don't want anything to do with a trade involving him.

[cd021]

It's funny, because I hate the Cleveland one. If you're doing "picks only" for an All NBA player, one of them had better be top 3-5. I'd need PHO to flip a young player in that deal.

My order of the trades proposed by cd021 would be Boston, Philly, then Cleveland.

Spurs aren't trading Mills unless he has to be a casualty in their acquiring a superstar or star, like he'd have been had Paul wanted to come or had they possessed the requisite assets for Irving.

Can't envision an all pick trade. They'll want a baseline of certainty; that's how trades of this magnitude work generally work. Picks are relative unknowns and outside of the first few always unlikely to turn into a superstar or star. They can't risk trading a superstar for 3 role players.

Sure, Fultz, for example, could be a bust, but at least they could save face because he was and is thought to have star potential.

Altered trade idea;

Phoenix Get;
Kevin Love

Cleveland Get;
Kawhi Leonard

Spurs Get;

7th, 15th Pick, T.J Warren

[TD 21]

Altered trade idea;

Phoenix Get;
Kevin Love

Cleveland Get;
Kawhi Leonard

Spurs Get;

7th, 15th Pick, T.J Warren

I meant a baseline of certainty in terms of the centerpiece either already having shown flashes or at least still thought to have star potential. No disrespect, but if the package doesn't start with that, it's not even worth considering.

[Mugen]

Yeah, you guys are right. Fultz doesn't suck yet, give it another year or two then we can say he sucks

[SAGirl]

Why would the ECF-bound Celtics (minus 2 AllStars) even think of trading their best two young prospects for a 6-7 year older injury-prone soft beta with a degenerative quad?

spurfan is delusional...

not sure spurfan can even hope for Tatum at this point tbqh, not if Kiwi is really growing a bone in his thigh muscle.

exactly...

[SAGirl]

They'd give the Spurs both in a second if they can get Leonard to agree to an extension, assuming his health checks out with their doctors. But if Kawhi is a and Boston is taking a chance on a one year rental the Spurs would get neither.

big if... his health needs to check out with his private doctors at this point...

[SAGirl]

Spurfans are going to be in a rude awakening if/when it becomes known PATFO were lowballed bigtime for Kawhi..

Has it ever happened a player miss nearly an entire year basketball season without going under the knife? yall need to wake the f up. We are closer to Brandon Roy territory with him than somehow recovering to be at an MVP-level again..

Danny Granger tbh... he's out of the league after tendinosis of the knee had him sit out 55 games in 2012-13. He had surgery at some point but was never again the same player.

[Ice009]

I didn't realize Danny Granger had tendonosis? Is that what ended his career? I thought he just had a knee injury/injuries and never recovered 100% after the surgery.

[exstatic]

I didn't realize Danny Granger had tendonosis? Is that what ended his career? I thought he just had a knee injury/injuries and never recovered 100% after the surgery.

Yet Tim had it, got it cleaned, and played on.

[Clipper Nation]

How does Fultz suck? Kid has barely played.

You've answered your own question, tbh. Fultz hasn't played because he's scared of the NBA and forgot how to shoot a jump shot as a result.

[SAGirl]

I didn't realize Danny Granger had tendonosis? Is that what ended his career? I thought he just had a knee injury/injuries and never recovered 100% after the surgery.

it was a chronic problem that got worse... eerie.

[exstatic]

it was a chronic problem that got worse... eerie.

You understand that Kawhi doesn’t have tendonosis, right? That’s not the same thing as tendonopathy.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

To get Kawhi? Of course they would trade at least one of them.

Why? They are close to making the ECF without Kyrie and Hayward. Why trade 1 of 2 promising young rookies on rookie salaries for a dude that is either seriously hurt or quits on his team?

[CGD]

I think the team that loses this exciting BOS-PHI series will think they are a peice away (but more so Philly). These two teams are primed to dominate the league for the next 7 years. Leonard in Philly would be insane.