Spurs Looking To Build New Stadium Downtown

[Das Texan]

Oritz Jones is the worst mayor this century for San Antonio and she has been in the job for a month.

Completley unprepared, completely out of touch with San Antonio itself.

If San Antonio is going to act like the 7th biggest city then this is an easy thing to pass along with better public transportation. Maybe funding the arts as well, since all the other bigger cities do that.

Her stance should surprise nobody. But nobody paid the attention to what she was blathering on about during the debates with Pablos. They just saw, D good, R bad.

Plus the idiot San Antonio citizens didnt bother to show up.

Along with the out going city council members eating themselves and all losing becuase they couldnt agree on whom should run for mayor.

End of day, this is going to pass. Ortiz Jones is going to be railroaded by on this and there isnt really anything her or a certain Council member can do who are in some fantasy land about economic impacts on things.

Plus as said before, this city hasnt paid anything for a basketball arena since they expanded Hemisfair. LOL

[The Truth #6]

I will admit I have not paid much attention to the details of the negotiation. But in situations like this, I think I would have a few general questions or thoughts.

1. She's trying to show some due diligence because the city has been trying to railroad this through.

2. Or everyone else already got their cut and she is slowing this down because she wants to get her cut.

That's the cynical interpretation that I would have to guess is usually halfway right, too often.

The other factor could just be that the predecessor went too fast and she just doesn't want to make a quick decision.

Obviously as Spurs fans everybody wants this to go through because they don't want to lose the Spurs, but no matter what the Spurs are going to get a sweetheart corporate bull deal. So if she can negotiate for this Spurs to pay more it's not like I'm really offended or anything.

But like I said I'm getting up to speed, so I could easily be wrong.

[ZeusWillJudge]

...And if one wants to say SA needs to act like the 7th largest city in the US, it's completely fair to say it's time for the city to pony up for an arena after completely sitting out the last three decades only putting like $15 million into the dome while the county did all the heavy lifting with the FBC well after its construction, renovating it for over $100 million knowing it was already half way through it's foreseeable lifespan as a main venue.

Whether the new arena gets built or not, that's just an absolutely ignorant Austin-ite comment. It's like saying the money came out of the cookie jar and not the sock drawer. Who is the City, and who is the County? It's US. The only difference is that running it through the County spreads the cost out over a few more people. But the money still comes out of the same bucket. There is no autonomous government with its own money. And City or County, they were/are all elected by the citizens. Drones like you love to say, "The people are all for this", but the people voted for other people who are against it. Your arena is going to get built, because the people who will benefit the most financially can afford the most effective PR campaign.

When they decided to build that stupid statue of Me at Olympia, I tried to tell them to spend the money on light donkey carts instead. But do you little hairless monkeys listen? Noooo, they just increased the tax on hydromel and papyrus and built it anyway. Now it's one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. Except it's...you know...gone. For the record, when you increase the tax on mead, people keep drinking. When you increase the tax on papyrus, they quit writing and reading as much, and you wind up like Austin, with people screaming to defund the Scythian archers.

[Das Texan]

Also as per usual, there is not one cent of additional taxes on San Antonio residents for this project, unless you elect to stay in a hotel that will front the majority of these taxes or frequent the new businesses that will be in the district, in which case the project already starts to pay for itself.

The short sighted mindset is why San Antonio is the largest city (by far) without any real public transit system in place (and a few other long standing issues). Its why 281 is a ing winding mess north of Downtown.

[ChumpDumper]

Whether the new arena gets built or not, that's just an absolutely ignorant Austin-ite comment. It's like saying the money came out of the cookie jar and not the sock drawer. Who is the City, and who is the County? It's US. The only difference is that running it through the County spreads the cost out over a few more people. But the money still comes out of the same bucket. There is no autonomous government with its own money. And City or County, they were/are all elected by the citizens. Drones like you love to say, "The people are all for this", but the people voted for other people who are against it. Your arena is going to get built, because the people who will benefit the most financially can afford the most effective PR campaign.

When they decided to build that stupid statue of Me at Olympia, I tried to tell them to spend the money on light donkey carts instead. But do you little hairless monkeys listen? Noooo, they just increased the tax on hydromel and papyrus and built it anyway. Now it's one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. Except it's...you know...gone. For the record, when you increase the tax on mead, people keep drinking. When you increase the tax on papyrus, they quit writing and reading as much, and you wind up like Austin, with people screaming to defund the Scythian archers.

The people paying the county taxes for the SBC and the new arena isn't YOU -- it's ME when I rent a hotel room down there.

You seem spectacularly ignorant of the past thirty years.

Your shtick is particularly stupid in this light.

I know all about people who are for and against these things because I do live in Austin and we (myself included) regularly tell companies and sports teams to pound sand. I was pretty stunned to see how much the Spurs were willing to put up for an arena this time around. If you want the Spurs in San Antonio, you're not going to get much more from them. If you don't want them to stay in San Antonio, that's cool too. There's nothing wrong with being a charming little place for old people to putter about and about service at whatever restaurants might be left downtown.

I assume you're voting against people like my being able to contribute to keeping the Spurs in San Antonio; good for you.

[BatManu20]

[CGD]

Texas is fascinating to me. If this were any other project most here would be letting their “fiscal responsibility” freak flag fly. Guess Trump did change that party forever.

I want this project built. I also think there hasn’t been the most transparency so far. Gina could also help her cause if she showed us what she thinks SA is foregoing by spending $500+M (investments in education, etc etc), instead of “show me the data.” Thats a losing message.

[Das Texan]

Texas is fascinating to me. If this were any other project most here would be letting their “fiscal responsibility” freak flag fly. Guess Trump did change that party forever.

I want this project built. I also think there hasn’t been the most transparency so far. Gina could also help her cause if she showed us what she thinks SA is foregoing by spending $500+M (investments in education, etc etc), instead of “show me the data.” Thats a losing message.

San Antonio is foregoing nothing by spending this money on the Spurs. Well maybe they are losing out on some infrastucture improvements in other parts of the city that they wouldnt do or get passed if it wasnt for this project anyway.

City is paying by way of tourism taxes... Taxes in this new district (which well wouldnt exist if not for this project) and infrastrucutre (that is mostly needed in the area anyway).

But not like Gina has any ing clue since she has never been around any form of local governance until about a month ago.

[SpurSpike]

Things are getting more expensive by the day. If she if worried about spending too much money, delaying a construction project will only increase the cost.

[onechance87]

This is gonna fck everything up.

[KGB POP]

San Antonio is foregoing nothing by spending this money on the Spurs. Well maybe they are losing out on some infrastucture improvements in other parts of the city that they wouldnt do or get passed if it wasnt for this project anyway.


City is paying by way of tourism taxes... Taxes in this new district (which well wouldnt exist if not for this project) and infrastrucutre (that is mostly needed in the area anyway).


But not like Gina has any ing clue since she has never been around any form of local governance until about a month ago.

The whole argument that "This how things have always been done therefore it must be done this way" is the ultimate cop-out of the dumb.

[KGB POP]

Some San Antonians disagree with the premise that San Antonio can't lose the Spurs under any cir stance. And regardless of where the money is coming from, it's public money and maybe it's just morally wrong that a poor city like SA should be using that money to make a nepo baby and private equity firms richer. But hey, some dumb people like being sycophants for the rich .Reflected glory and all that, right? And Holt Jr. wins either way-the city either bends over for him, or he moves the team, or he sells his interest. So screw him. Have some pride.

[exstatic]

Some San Antonians disagree with the premise that San Antonio can't lose the Spurs under any cir stance. And regardless of where the money is coming from, it's public money and maybe it's just morally wrong that a poor city like SA should be using that money to make a nepo baby and private equity firms richer. But hey, some dumb people like being sycophants for the rich .Reflected glory and all that, right? And Holt Jr. wins either way-the city either bends over for him, or he moves the team, or he sells his interest. So screw him. Have some pride.

The money comes from tourists. It’s a hotel/rental car tax. It’s not money diverted from anything else. The Spurs are also putting up $500M for the project.

Ask Seattle what they might do with a do over. It’s looking like 17 years later, they’re not even going to get an expansion franchise.

[ChumpDumper]

Some San Antonians disagree with the premise that San Antonio can't lose the Spurs under any cir stance. And regardless of where the money is coming from, it's public money and maybe it's just morally wrong that a poor city like SA should be using that money to make a nepo baby and private equity firms richer. But hey, some dumb people like being sycophants for the rich .Reflected glory and all that, right? And Holt Jr. wins either way-the city either bends over for him, or he moves the team, or he sells his interest. So screw him. Have some pride.

Then what?

[djohn2oo8]

are term sheets normally non binding?

[ChumpDumper]

are term sheets normally non binding?

Until the en ies bind themselves to the terms, yes.

[vy65]

lolololololol

[vy65]

Some San Antonians disagree with the premise that San Antonio can't lose the Spurs under any cir stance. And regardless of where the money is coming from, it's public money and maybe it's just morally wrong that a poor city like SA should be using that money to make a nepo baby and private equity firms richer. But hey, some dumb people like being sycophants for the rich .Reflected glory and all that, right? And Holt Jr. wins either way-the city either bends over for him, or he moves the team, or he sells his interest. So screw him. Have some pride.

Send the boys up 35 to us in Austin, we'll take great care of them.

[rjv]

lolololololol

where in the heck is that poster getting $4 billion from? that's 1.5 billion more than the Intuit Dome.

[ChumpDumper]

where in the heck is that poster getting $4 billion from? that's 1.5 billion more than the Intuit Dome.

$4 billion is an estimate for the entire project:

[TekXX]

Oritz Jones is the worst mayor this century for San Antonio and she has been in the job for a month.

Completley unprepared, completely out of touch with San Antonio itself.

If San Antonio is going to act like the 7th biggest city then this is an easy thing to pass along with better public transportation. Maybe funding the arts as well, since all the other bigger cities do that.

Her stance should surprise nobody. But nobody paid the attention to what she was blathering on about during the debates with Pablos. They just saw, D good, R bad.

Plus the idiot San Antonio citizens didnt bother to show up.

Along with the out going city council members eating themselves and all losing becuase they couldnt agree on whom should run for mayor.

End of day, this is going to pass. Ortiz Jones is going to be railroaded by on this and there isnt really anything her or a certain Council member can do who are in some fantasy land about economic impacts on things.

Plus as said before, this city hasnt paid anything for a basketball arena since they expanded Hemisfair. LOL

Out of touch with whom? the establisment millionaires? The last thing San Antonio needed was Trump-lite Pablos

[rjv]

$4 billion is an estimate for the entire project:

but that's not what he wrote. and this is the general problem with the naysayers (although this is the current political climate); people don't spell things out. either it's laziness or deliberate manipulation to seed dissent. summing it up as a $4.5 billion arena is misleading. the second part of that bulletin is also misleading because the mechanism for the finding can only be used for projects such as the one proposed in project marvel. but, again, we live in times where people either make up and hope it sticks or are poorly informed.

[ChumpDumper]

but that's not what he wrote. and this is the general problem with the naysayers (although this is the current political climate); people don't spell things out. either it's laziness or deliberate manipulation to seed dissent. summing it up as a $4.5 billion arena is misleading. the second part of that bulletin is also misleading because the mechanism for the finding can only be used for projects such as the one proposed in project marvel. but, again, we live in times where people either make up and hope it sticks or are poorly informed.

Largely true. The most regular ol' city taxes going to the project will be for roads and infrastructure around it, and there is no plan to increase the tax rates to allocate that money.

[Das Texan]

Out of touch with whom? the establisment millionaires? The last thing San Antonio needed was Trump-lite Pablos

Both final options were ing bad.

Mostly because the better options were all ing morons and fought against themselves.

Whom exactly is Jones in touch with now anyway?

[tonight...you]

Both final options were ing bad.

Mostly because the better options were all ing morons and fought against themselves.

Whom exactly is Jones in touch with now anyway?

I like it when "the better options" were also morons who in-fought.
I guess there were no good options at all?