I am a Sniffer. It is time to Fire Pop.

[MultiTroll]

I think most would be fine with another tank this year if it came along with visible signs of development. Instead we see nothing but regression, and even a situation that doesn’t develop Wemby to his full potential.

[exstatic]

Ok and how many of those players from the first year are on OKC now? Other than SGA it's only Dort. So basically the entire roster turned over. You obviously weren't expecting the entire roster to turn over before the season. Are you now? If so then why are they signing Zach Collins to his contract? If so why have they extended Vassel and Keldon?

You can't have it both ways. You can't argue that this team is intentionally tanking but actually good then use a team that was so bad they have kept no one as a comparison. You literally just throw against the wall hoping it sticks without actually putting any thought to it.

Never said they were good, just better than their record. Never said we would, or should keep everyone from this roster. A better comparison for OKC would be between their 1st and 2nd 20 win teams, not their roster now. We could very well have 4 FRPs in the next two drafts that could become our Chet and our Jalen.

You do understand that you can't tank solely with roster construction, you HAVE to dump games intentionally by, I don't know, not playing a PG, right? I think everyone here agrees that the team would likely be better and win more games if we played one in the starting lineup. We still aren't. Malaki is running the point now. I mean, we had Phoenix pay us to take a PG in his 20s with Finals experience who can shoot and play defense, and we waived him with only Tre on the roster. One of the best movement/pullup shooters on the roster, Graham, can't buy a minute in a rotation that is crying out for that exact skill set. WE ARE PLAYING DOUG MCDERMOTT IN THE ROTATION. None of these are accidents. If we were in full on player development mode, and running a PG and an optimal rotation, this team would finish somewhere in the 6-9 pre-lottery draft position, which would be a ing disaster. We have to finish in the bottom 3 to get our Wemby sidekick, and two other teams are free falling along with us, with two others maybe 3 games back, and both 3-7 for their last 10.

[ambchang]

I wouldn’t have much problems if the spurs would be compe ive then pop pull players or put in stupid lineups to sabotage the games like they did last year. Instead the spurs were pile drived end to end in every single game they played this year. It’s horrible.

[Splits]

Pop just coached what might be the greatest game in NBA history. Top 5 for sure. Legend.

[Sugus]

I actually don't think we were wrong in Wemby impact. He's been amazing and it's not his fault we've regressed. What's problematic is that we've regressed despite having a high impact player which points to the rest of the team being worse than they were the year before. All of these players that should be improving are getting worse. That is incredibly problematic.

I don't see what you mean. Devin has improved. Keldon is at his ceiling and has been playing consistent ball for his standard. Sochan has improved in spite of learning a new role on the go. Most of the other guys are, frankly, JAG for the Spurs' relvant long-term planning. I'm not losing sleep over Branham or Wesley "regressing", TBQH.

Agreed on Wemby's impact though, and let me clarify that I meant impact record-wise. I truly think his on-court impact is understated and, as soon as the Spurs decide to actually start winning again, you and everyone else will wonder "where have the Spurs always been". But some pieces are already here; they're just being forcefully dis-arranged in the search of another top-end talent.

I guess it's simply a matter of "how much of the Spurs' current performance do you take at face value as a serious team instead of a tanking team", and I just don't put a lot of stake in it. It's like cliff-jumping over that "historically bad defense" last year, as if Wemby wasn't going to be a one-man army on D. The team just isn't trying to win, top-to-bottom.

[Sugus]

OKC won 20ish games twice with SGA on the roster putting up roughly 24p/6a/5r over the two year span. The horror.

Exactly. And it's the same with top-end talent on tanking, or recently-tanking teams; years of ty discussions about "empty calories" and "stats on a bad team", then as soon as the FO builds a real team around the talent, everyone switches to "OMG when did he get so good???".

See also: Suns and Devin Booker. Fox and the Kings (though I'll freely admit to being one of these people with him, I've never liked his game).

[Sugus]

Terrible plan, you get an awesome rookie and then you make it play with no PG or no team whatsoever.
Small market teams are hard I get it, but playing for Pop is a huge minus.
In the old days they had to learn ¨the system¨ so there was a learning curve but now Pop makes these kids run and shoot like headless chickens.
They need a new coach, not the arrogant woke fest that Pop is.

Who says it's terrible? Do you have the recipe for a championship-level team? Far as I'm aware, there's many roads to Rome, and none of them certain. Again, you're judging less than half of Wemby's rookie season here. I can just as easily argue that placing Wemby in a tough position makes him grow extra in a "sink or swim" environment and develop skills he wouldn't have access to if a good PG was force-feeding him every possession. It's far too early to tell the kind of impact it'll have on his game -- and seeing as he gets better and better each day, yeah, i'm not panicking here.

I don't disagree that they need a new coach as I believe in organic growth between both a team and a coaching staff, especially a team as young as the Spurs - and a coach as old as Pop. But judging a "masterplan" this early in, is just making a fool of yourself, sorry to say. It's not a master plan without a lot of steps, y'know?

[Mikeanaro]

Who says it's terrible? Do you have the recipe for a championship-level team? Far as I'm aware, there's many roads to Rome, and none of them certain. Again, you're judging less than half of Wemby's rookie season here. I can just as easily argue that placing Wemby in a tough position makes him grow extra in a "sink or swim" environment and develop skills he wouldn't have access to if a good PG was force-feeding him every possession. It's far too early to tell the kind of impact it'll have on his game -- and seeing as he gets better and better each day, yeah, i'm not panicking here.

I don't disagree that they need a new coach as I believe in organic growth between both a team and a coaching staff, especially a team as young as the Spurs - and a coach as old as Pop. But judging a "masterplan" this early in, is just making a fool of yourself, sorry to say. It's not a master plan without a lot of steps, y'know?

The record says it, 18L´s in a row is not pretty.
Yeah, the recipe is GET SOME TALENT AND ADAPT TO THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED, 2014 was a decade ago.
Ask GSW, MIA, DEN, BOS, Milwaukee, sure they are idiots and dont know .

How many steps? 385?
Leaving the players improvise for 20 games without a plan and Im making a fool of myself, sure...
The Sochan ¨experiment¨ make a giraffe believe its an elefant.

The man is old and out of touch, you guys act like if Pop retires there wont be another good coach and Spurs will never go deep in the playoffs, let alone win a championship.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Pop's Spurs just beat the in-season tournament champion Lakers. That means something... right?

[MultiTroll]

Pop's Spurs just beat the in-season tournament champion Lakers. That means something... right?

Sure.
The Pistons beat the 2013-14 GOAT Spurs in Game 52 en route to a 29-53 record,

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Sure.
The Pistons beat the 2013-14 GOAT Spurs in Game 52 en route to a 29-53 record,

29 wins sounds pretty sweet at this point tbh

[MultiTroll]

29 wins sounds pretty sweet at this point tbh

Surely the GOAT coachs strategy will get us there.

29 in two years, right?

[weebo]

The record says it, 18L´s in a row is not pretty.
Yeah, the recipe is GET SOME TALENT AND ADAPT TO THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED, 2014 was a decade ago.
Ask GSW, MIA, DEN, BOS, Milwaukee, sure they are idiots and dont know .

How many steps? 385?
Leaving the players improvise for 20 games without a plan and Im making a fool of myself, sure...
The Sochan ¨experiment¨ make a giraffe believe its an elefant.

The man is old and out of touch, you guys act like if Pop retires there wont be another good coach and Spurs will never go deep in the playoffs, let alone win a championship.

Pop is never getting fired. No way the Holt's ever do that. The problem here is that a lot of you lied to yourselves. The Spurs landed a once in a lifetime baller and all of a sudden they were PO bound. It's a young team--they were garbage last year and they're garbage this year. This is basically year 0 of the rebuild. Prior to this year, they were drafting on potential and now they have someone to build around. It's going to take time--"pounding the rock" bs. For now, you need to look at this season as an 82 game preseason. The Spurs need to see who they can keep while Wemby figures out how he fits in the NBA. If you don't have the patience to wait on a small market team to build a winning team, tune out and bandwagon back when they start winning or go jump on the Lakers bandwagon.

[exstatic]

29 wins sounds pretty sweet at this point tbh

29 wins would be a ing disaster. This is the last chance in the Wemby era for us to have a high, self owned draft pick to get his #2 player.

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I wouldn’t have much problems if the spurs would be compe ive then pop pull players or put in stupid lineups to sabotage the games like they did last year. Instead the spurs were pile drived end to end in every single game they played this year. It’s horrible.

What games are you watching? They have given up double digit leads in more than half of their games. They were blown out by Indiana and the Clippers, but they led in almost every other game. They just run hot and cold, which young teams do.

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I don't see what you mean. Devin has improved. Keldon is at his ceiling and has been playing consistent ball for his standard. Sochan has improved in spite of learning a new role on the go. Most of the other guys are, frankly, JAG for the Spurs' relvant long-term planning. I'm not losing sleep over Branham or Wesley "regressing", TBQH.

Agreed on Wemby's impact though, and let me clarify that I meant impact record-wise. I truly think his on-court impact is understated and, as soon as the Spurs decide to actually start winning again, you and everyone else will wonder "where have the Spurs always been". But some pieces are already here; they're just being forcefully dis-arranged in the search of another top-end talent.

I guess it's simply a matter of "how much of the Spurs' current performance do you take at face value as a serious team instead of a tanking team", and I just don't put a lot of stake in it. It's like cliff-jumping over that "historically bad defense" last year, as if Wemby wasn't going to be a one-man army on D. The team just isn't trying to win, top-to-bottom.

The Spurs added Victor to last year's team. They're worse.

[baseline bum]

29 wins would be a ing disaster. This is the last chance in the Wemby era for us to have a high, self owned draft pick to get his #2 player.

With how ty all the 2022 picks have developed not sure I believe this tbh

[Tyronn Lue]

29 wins would be a ing disaster. This is the last chance in the Wemby era for us to have a high, self owned draft pick to get his #2 player.

I agree with this. As painful as it will be for Spurs fan for the team to suck all season, it will be be painful longer to suck only most of the season. Imagine Spurs had few more wins last year, Victor is somewhere else.

[HemisfairArena]

I agree with this. As painful as it will be for Spurs fan for the team to suck all season, it will be be painful longer to suck only most of the season. Imagine Spurs had few more wins last year, Victor is somewhere else.

Tanking and sucking like this,,,,,in a few years, Wemby will be somewhere else,,,,,

[ambchang]

What games are you watching? They have given up double digit leads in more than half of their games. They were blown out by Indiana and the Clippers, but they led in almost every other game. They just run hot and cold, which young teams do.

They pretty much always build up a lead and then give it up when the other team decided to get serious. Just at no point in any of the games did I think the spurs were going to win it, including the one they just won ve the lakers. There were so many wtf comments in every game that they aren’t really like a pro basketball team and I just knew the wheels will fall off at some point. Of course, they won the one game which sort of proved me wrong.

[exstatic]

They pretty much always build up a lead and then give it up when the other team decided to get serious. Just at no point in any of the games did I think the spurs were going to win it, including the one they just won ve the lakers. There were so many wtf comments in every game that they aren’t really like a pro basketball team and I just knew the wheels will fall off at some point. Of course, they won the one game which sort of proved me wrong.

Your description of “pile drived from end to end” is inaccurate, other than maybe two games. Your effort to then move the goalposts is transparent.

[ambchang]

Your description of “pile drived from end to end” is inaccurate, other than maybe two games. Your effort to then move the goalposts is transparent.

Fair. Over exaggeration on my part earlier on. The spurs were playing a very disappointing brand of ball so far this season. They are playing better with wemby at 5 and sochan back at 4, with Collins off the bench. I still want jones at PG and Braham should really come off the bench but I’m skeptical of how compe ive the spurs would be. I hope to see some drastic improvements by mid/end February and wanted the sochan in the second half of last season back.

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The Spurs go on big runs. That is the polar opposite of your characterization.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't see what you mean. Devin has improved. Keldon is at his ceiling and has been playing consistent ball for his standard. Sochan has improved in spite of learning a new role on the go. Most of the other guys are, frankly, JAG for the Spurs' relvant long-term planning. I'm not losing sleep over Branham or Wesley "regressing", TBQH.

Agreed on Wemby's impact though, and let me clarify that I meant impact record-wise. I truly think his on-court impact is understated and, as soon as the Spurs decide to actually start winning again, you and everyone else will wonder "where have the Spurs always been". But some pieces are already here; they're just being forcefully dis-arranged in the search of another top-end talent.

I guess it's simply a matter of "how much of the Spurs' current performance do you take at face value as a serious team instead of a tanking team", and I just don't put a lot of stake in it. It's like cliff-jumping over that "historically bad defense" last year, as if Wemby wasn't going to be a one-man army on D. The team just isn't trying to win, top-to-bottom.

I'm not sure why you think Sochan has improved. He and Devin have been worse. If they played better than last year we'd be in a much better positino, as evidenced by last game where they played well.

[MannyIsGod]

29 wins would be a ing disaster. This is the last chance in the Wemby era for us to have a high, self owned draft pick to get his #2 player.

a ing disaster is a hilarious way to describe a win total that is almost certainly going to be bottom 5.