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Golden State would be a good target for a trade at this point.
Maggette, for starters.
Golden State would be a good target for a trade at this point.
Wow, just wow.
Nevermind dude. I'll just discuss things with people who understand that Magette not being in San Antonio was not a choice of the Spurs FO.
I don't think that's a scenario likely to happen even if Nocioni would be willing to take less money to play for the Spurs. Andrés is a RFA, and I'm sure Chicago would match any offer the Spurs can make (up to the MLE), even if for no other reason than getting something in return for him. If the Spurs FO wants Nocioni, I believe it'd take a S&T to get him... and that's still a long shot.
Yeah, it's always much easier to discuss things with those who agree with you.
I think Barry is in that "6,7, or 8" players that Pop mentioned will not be traded...
Williams and Beno are the two most probable.
Side Note: Reported in the "Rumors" section of ESPN was that while Orlando wasn't going to "shake things up" they would still explore smaller trades. Sounds like a "peripheral" trade waiting to happen. I'm sure I'll talk it to death and be dissapointed when it doesn't happen, but Arroyo or Dooling for Williams and a second rounder sounds fair enough....
it's a long-shot because the Spurs have nothing the Bulls would want. They already have gobs of young talent, and a possible top 5 pick in the deepest draft of the century....if Chicago was a stock I'd buy!
Beno and E.Williams for Nachbar.
Nachbar is another one of those SF along with Jumaine Jones, Viktor Khryapa, and Matt Barnes: that I would like the spurs to try and trade for
Spurs arent getting Corey F in Maggette, the Clips would have already done the trade if we had anything they wanted, THEY DONT WANT TO TRADE HIM TO US, WE HAVE NOTHING OF VALUE TO THEM.
Nachbar on the other hand is a pretty good option, he has been playing well of late
Nets are already rail thin in their frontcourt and Nachbar has trouble on defense. The Nets are still contending in the East and this kid has been getting major minutes of late. He's not going anywhere.
Nachbar isn't an above average rebounder, nor a good defender.
he can shoot, but isn't that outstanding, that he was an improvement from what Spurs already have.
so he wouldn't see many minutes with the Spurs.
I would try to get Khryapa 10 times, before going for Nachbar.
I cant find anything that says he is a restricted FA next year. I believe he was not even drafted, he just signed with the Bulls, like Oberto did with us. If that is the case, he would be unrestricted next year, making it possible for us to offer him a contract. I know that the Bulls a very high on Nocioni, but they are going to want to lock up Deng & Gordon, so it might be possible that they dont match. If anybody has anything showing that Nocioni is restricted next year, could you please post it?
Edit: I just found this article about Nocioni on FIBA.com
ARG - Contract uncertainty may keep Nocioni off national team
CHICAGO (FIBA Americas Championship) – Andres Nocioni is a basketball icon in his native Argentina.
He’s a tough-as-nails forward who forged a successful career in Europe, captured a gold medal at the Athens Games in 2004 and then established himself as a force in the NBA with the Chicago Bulls.
Argentinians adore him, just as they do San Antonio Spurs duo Manu Ginobili and Fabricio Oberto, and Tau Ceramica sensation Luis Scola.
But Chapu, as the 27-year-old Nocioni is nicknamed, may not be able to play for his country this summer when they attempt to qualify for the 2008 Olympics.
"I want to be in Las Vegas," he said in a teleconference with reporters.
"I want to play for the national team to qualify for the (2008 Olympic) Games, but I cannot said today if I will be able."
Nocioni’s current deal with Chicago finishes after this season and if the contract is not settled soon enough, he may still be looking to sort out his career when the Argentina players are gathering for the FIBA Americas Championship in Las Vegas.
"I need to wait and be calm," he said.
"I need to know if I will continue with Chicago or not.
The FIBA Americas Championship will run from August 22 to September 2.
"I will be thinking about a new contract with Chicago or I will be looking for a new team," Nocioni said.
"I want to play for Argentina, but I do not know what it is going to happen."
Nocioni, meanwhile, admits he would love to have Pau Gasol as a Bulls team-mate with rumours circulating that Gasol may be traded away from Memphis.
"It would be superb to have Gasol in the squad alongside Ben Wallace," Nocioni said.
"It would be wonderful, that team power. But there are always rumours."
Gasol missed the early part of the NBA campaign after suffering a metatarsal injury in Spain’s semi-final win over Argentina at the FIBA World Championship.
Nocioni fears, because of that injury, that teams may not want their superstars playing in international compe ion.
"(The clubs) will try to not allow us to play for the national team," he said.
As for his place with the Bulls, Nocioni said: “I do not know about me. I want to stay here, but if I not, I will have to look for a new team.”
By Jeff Taylor, FIBA
Last edited by Big P; 01-29-2007 at 11:49 AM.
I don't know or care whether any site has their facts checked, but Nocioni will be a RFA. It's not necessary to have been drafted or to come off a rookie scale deal to be subject to restricted free agency. As long as you're a veteran free agent with no more than 3 seasons, if the team extends a qualifying offer (in this case a formality) then you're a RFA. Here's the proof:
(b) Any Veteran Free Agent (other than a First Round Pick whose first Option Year or second Option Year was not exercised) who will have three (3) or fewer Years of Service as of the June 30 following the end of the last Season covered by his Player Contract will be a Restricted Free Agent if his Prior Team makes a Qualifying Offer to the player at any time from the day following such Season through the immediately following June 30. If such a Qualifying Offer is made, then, on the July 1 following the last Season covered by the player’s Player Contract, the player shall become a Restricted Free Agent, subject to a Right of First Refusal in favor of the Team (“ROFR Team”), as set forth in Section 5 below. If such a Qualifying Offer is not made, then the player shall become an Unrestricted Free Agent on such July 1.As for the interview, I don't know how it is that addresses the issue at stake here. Whether he remains with the Bulls or he is a RFA are two separate issues, and neither is sufficient nor necessary condition for the other.
as much as would love to see Chapu in a Spurs uniform, to get him is one of the most unlikely scenario.
as mentioned, if he becomes a RFA, Spurs can only offer the MLE and Bulls will be thankfull to match a MLE offer for Nocioni.
a sign and trade will only happen, if Nocioni will refuse to play for the Bulls any more, but why should he?
Bulls are a great franchise with a great future and it might happen that Bulls ship Deng to Memphis for Gasol, then Nocioni would be the starting SF alongside Gasol for a Bulls team, that will be a contender for the next 5 years.
would you run away from such a situation? I wouldn't.
the best chance for the Spurs might be, that Chiapu gets traded as part of a trade for a star big (Gasol, KG, JO, or whoever has been mentioned in the past) and doesn't want to resign with the new team and somehow forces them to accept a s&t.
I didn't read through this whole thread, but apparently Zach Randolph is available.
we could trade Gasol for him. he was aquired on page 3 of the thread i guess.
I know Walter Hermann was mentioned previously in this thread, though it seemed to be sort of blown over. He's 6'9 225lb combo forward with range. I know he wouldn't be "championship-altering", but his long-range shooting and ties to Ginobili/Oberto could pay dividends.
How much does he make, what would it take to get him?
He's on a minimum contract, making about $450,000
Thanks!
It's too bad the Spurs have nothing the Bobcats want...or do they?
Bobcats don't like Hermann, they have almost cut him sooner in the season. Something like a second round pick should be enough to get him.
http://sonicscentral.com/blog/?p=1087
First off lets get to gossip. I’m hearing two rumors circulating around the team. First is that the team is actively shopping Johan Petro and he expects to be gone at or before the deadline. Johan’s value is pretty interesting. Despite not being perfect he is only 20 years old, 7 feet tall, and has proven that he can play in the league. That is the type of guy who could really come back to bite you in the butt if he developes. Could you expect better out of a draft pick? Would you trade him for an unknown quan y? I’m not entirely sure.I don't think Petro can be interesting : poor work ethic, not that good and a high trade value.Most of the reporters in the last two games expect Damien Wilkens to be trade bait at the deadline. Mickael Gelabale is simply playing at too high a level to reduce his minutes when Rashard Lewis returns. Wilkens becomes the odd man out in that scenario.
I like more Damien Wilkins, he was quite good against us in 05. The knock on him is that his has a long term contract even if his salary is quite low and I wonder what is his actual level (being outplayed by a rookie isn't a good sign).
there are rumors, that the Sonics are very active on the market.
they are said to activly shop Johan Petro and also expect Damien Wilkins as potential part of packages, since he looks more and more expendable because of the development of Gelabale and the return of Rashard Lewis.
some time ago it was reported, that Earl Watson is on the block and wants out himself badly. Watson has been mentioned by some posters in trade scenarios.
Sonics are going nowhere this season, even if Lewis will return soon, they won't make the PO. it looks more as if they start another rebuilding process.
which means they will try to get rid of long term contracts (Watson, Wilkins) and aquire picks and/or young players.
they know, that they can find a nice piece in the next draft, even if they don't win the 1-3 pick.
it will likely be another big, some out of the group Noah, Splitter, Horford, McRoberts (and some more) will be there when they pick, so I can see why Petro isn't part of their future plans.
Spurs can't offer great deals, but they can offer some little things, that might make the Sonics listen.
IMO Wilkins is a player Spurs could use.
he is a bit overpayed for his talent (3 million per year, another 3 years on his contract), but not by far.
he is more athletic than all players Spurs have right now and he is a decent defender, who could be really good in a system like the Spurs.
the expiring contract of Williams + the higher second rounder (currently no.38 pick) or 2 lower 2nd rounders might do the deal.
if the price asking price wasn't to high, I would also do the gamble on Petro.
I know, he doesn't have a high reputation, but considering that we have a young center prospect with at ude problems and weight problems, I would prefer a prospect with only at ude concerns, who is an outstanding athlete at least. If it takes the rights for Mahinmi to get Petro, I would do it.
(and yes, I know most won't agree)
Watson would be interesting, his aquisation might have the biggest impact, but I fear Spurs absolutly don't want to pay the 6 million per year (for 3 more years) for his work as a back-up. but I just wanted to include the theoretical possibility.
so my scenarios are like this:
a.) Wilkins (+ the non guarranteed Wilks contract for the numbers) for E.Williams + 2nd rounder(s)
b.) Wilkins + Petro (+ filler if needed) for Williams + Mahinmi rights (or Butler?) + second rounders (or 2008 first rounder?)
c.) Wilkins + Petro + Watson for Williams + Butler + Beno + picks and/or rights (could also be White)
to write my post has been taking so long, so you beat me to most of it.
well, I wouldn't exactly call it outplayed. Gelabale looked better than Wilkins in January, that's it.
while Gelabale is a rookie, he can't be compared to a young unexpirienced rookie.
he is 23 and has tons of games at a high pro level under his belt (2 ACB seasons, 2 Euroleague seasons, world cup etc) and I think he will once be labeled as one of the steals of the 2005 draft anyhow. so, losing minutes to a rookie like Gelabale is maybe not that much of a bad sign, as it looks in the first place.
but if it screws the price for Wilkins, we should be happy if Gelabale outplays him.
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