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Nancy Grace is talking to Chris Jericho right now channel 52
Fragile X Syndrome is carried by the woman. It is a genetic defect of the X chromosome. Since the woman has 2 XX's, she is protected by the "Good" X chromosome and is only the carrier. But the Male offspring only has one X as he is XO and is he inherits the damaged one, hence "Fragile X" syndrome causing physical and developmental delays. I actually assisted a family once in determining why every male in the family was mentally re ed by having genetic screening completed, and it was the "Fragile X syndrome". It is not uncommon that having a mentally re ed child in the home causing tremendous stress which usually causes the family to break up or to get very close. Murder--suicide-- NO!! I feel sorry for all of them, but too bad that Benoit didn't just end his own life.
Nancy Grace is talking to Chris Jericho right now channel 52
WCW
They went out of business...
I meant specifically, WWE....
WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE STILL IN BUSINESS AND RAN ALL COMPE ORS IN THE GROUND.
Im surprised I haven't seen a Chris Benoit troll yet....
People whose teams have zero les and zero HOF'ers should not be surprised about anything.
I didn't know all that about it....
And I agree...it's too bad he didn't just end his own life. That's what he should have done if he really wanted out. Instead of turning into a terrifying monster killer to those that loved him. Actually...it would have been better if he just left them...You wonder why people do the things they do. I mean what was so bad in his life that things had to end that way....just destroying everything and everyone. IF he waited a week he probably would have been in a good mood again. He's an Idiot.
That's too bad because I actually support you throughout this whole ordeal.
I was surprised as and didn't want to believe it untill the whole story came out. I'll admit I admired the guys work ethic and what he did for the sport.
I appreciate that...however, I still find your name extreeeeeeeeeeeemly offensive. Can't help it.
And he did have a good work ethic...and for all intents and purposes he was a good dude for most of his life...and then he completely destroyed himself and those cloest to him for absolutely no discernible reason. At some point he got to make a choice, am I going to choose unhappy ending, or am I going to choose forgiving and hopefully happy ending, and just let go of all the bull pride etc...and he chose the unhappy ending. And then everything turned to ...not just for him, but for a lot of people. And I can't help but thinking at some point he had to have realized what a huge mistake he was making. I think he knew it was mistake as he was doing it.
taken hours before this started...
taken by a fan at the doctors office
This would have been a more interesting lead if Whottt kept idolizing his ex-hero even after learning of his henious acts instead of giving the expected "yeah I hate him cause he killed" routine.
Well, he's kinda halfway in-between those points.
I'm gonna agree with Whotts stance. You don't have to be insane your entire life to do this. I bet I'm capable of it and I'm sane, though I have no idea what would drive me to do so.
RIP to all, such a shame.
I don't know everything regarding the situation of Benoit, but there have been countless do ented incidents where otherwise sane individuals committed acts of murder, abuse, or other violent crimes due to extreme external stimuli. Basically, there is the potential for a murder inside all of us, the difference is the point at which our brains rationalize the actions. For most of us that point lies somewhere along the lines of protection of family, self, or possibly property from percieved extreme threats, but for many people the point at which their brain rationalizes murder can be over much more trivial actions or events.
External stimuli (stress, drugs, difficult life situations) can push the brain into a delusional state at which the brain perceives a threat or rationalization that wouldn't seem logical to people on the outside. In the Benoit case, a possible situation could be the external stimuli reacting within Benoit's brain with the reality of his son's mental condition and the knowledge that the causing gene came from his wife. The day to day pressures of living life on the road away from home added to his son's condition and the possible inherent resentment he felt for his wife (due to his son's condition or other factors such as perceived infidelity) can react with drugs and alcohol and cause the brain to rationalize the murder of his wife. It could also lead his brain to rationalize the killing of his son as an act of mercy or euthanasia, especially given his mentally feeble status. The fact that several hours passed between killings shows that Benoit thought things through and most likely killed his son out of a perceived mercy - which led to extreme feelings of guilt that led to his suicide.
In Criminology you look for causes of every crime, not excuses. Every crime has a cause, and if as you say the cause is because the person is "crazy", then there are inherent causes for that person's craziness that must be determined.
One more interesting thing - I think the nature of the killings points to a scenario close to what I outlined above. The wife was killed in a very aggressive and "hands on" manner by strangulation with a rope or cord. This is a personal and violent killing. The child was killed through suffocation (I believe with a pillow) that is less violent in manner and can be the result of his rationalization that the boy must be killed for mercy (for his own good) even though he really doesn't want to do it. Finally, the most telling is the way Benoit commited suicide. Death by hanging is not only tedious but is also extremely painful and slow which could show his contempt for himself and self loathing over what he has done. He could have just taken a ton of pills if he wanted to take an easy way out, but he chose a very difficult and painful way to do it.
Pretty good post...except that Benoit choked his son to death with a wrestling choke hold....but they also said there were no bruises on the boys neck.
And no about Benoit...
You ever seen the neck on that dude? It's like the size of a telephone pole, solid muscle.
And he hung himself by putting 3-400 lbs of weight on that cord before unlocking the weights..
I'd say Benoit had an extremely painful and extended death. I think he has the kind of neck to where he probably couldn't even have hung himself in the conventional sense.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...0629exwife.htm
lBenoit "loving person," ex-wife says
By Kevin Duffy
The Atlanta Journal-Cons ution
Published on: 06/28/07
Chris Benoit's former wife, Martina Benoit, said the star wrestler "was the most loving person anyone could imagine. I love him."
Reached at her home in Ardrossan, Alberta, Canada, Benoit called reporting of the killings in Fayette County "crap." She did not elaborate before ending the call.
Last weekend, Chris Benoit, 40, killed his wife, Nancy, and their 7-year-old son, Daniel, before committing suicide, according to the Fayette County Sheriff's Department.
He had two other children with Martina Benoit, who has not remarried. Chris Benoit married Nancy Benoit, 43, in 2000.
Authorities said Benoit strangled his wife and possibly killed his son in a chokehold. Daniel had Fragile X Syndrome, a mental disability. Benoit strangled himself using cord attached to a weight machine.
He was one of the biggest stars with World Wrestling Entertainment, a Connecticut-based company that broadcasts matches worldwide on television.
Even the dudes ex-wife is saying she can't imagine him doing this.
Ex-wife in disbelief = Benoit lost it at some point, he wasn't always that way.
It is not possible to get a more trustworthy statement than an ex-wife character witness saying something positive about her ex-husband after the fact.
Benoit wasn't always a bad guy...in fact he was quite a good guy, until something went wrong with him somewhere along the way.
Steroids probably were part of it...but I am not convinced that was all there was to it...especially since they said the steroid test Benoit passed was a random one. Maybe it was actually going off the steroids that started to screw him up...and I am still waiting to see if he was on some kind of anti-depressant/psych meds.
Study suggests brain damage may have affected Benoit
Associated Press
Updated: September 5, 2007, 12:52 PM ET
ATLANTA -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit suffered brain damage from his years in the ring that could help explain why he killed his wife, son and himself, a doctor who studied Benoit's brain said Wednesday.
Tests on Chris Benoit's brain, conducted by Julian Bailes of the Sports Legacy Ins ute, show that Benoit's brain was severely damaged and may help explain the killing of his wife and son and his subsequent suicide. ABCNews.com has detailed coverage. Story
The analysis by doctors affiliated with the Sports Legacy Ins ute suggests repeated concussions could have contributed to the killings at Benoit's suburban Atlanta home.
The wrestler's father, Michael Benoit, told reporters Wednesday that he knows his son had concussions because his son told him so. But he also said he knows of no medical records or records kept by the wrestling league to support the diagnosis.
Steroid use also has lingered as a theory, since anabolic steroids were found in the home and tests conducted by authorities showed Benoit had roughly 10 times the normal level of testosterone in his system when he died.
The ins ute, which researches the long-term effects of concussions, coordinated the testing using samples of Benoit's brain tissue provided by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.
Despite the results of the ins ute's tests, there was no way to know if Benoit's concussions contributed to the murder-suicide, said Dr. Robert Cantu, a member of the ins ute who also is chief of neurosurgery service at Emerson Hospital in Concord, Mass.
"Whether it is the sole factor I believe is speculation and I will not go there," Cantu said by phone.
The level of brain damage Benoit had can cause depression and irrational behavior, Cantu said.
Benoit's brain showed the same degenerative processes that doctors working for the ins ute found in the brains of three men who had played pro football and committed suicide, Cantu said. There were abnormal protein deposits caused by trauma to Benoit's brain, Cantu said.
There's no evidence that steroid use causes such protein deposits, Cantu said, though he noted the issue has not been exhaustively studied.
The Waltham, Mass.-based ins ute was founded by former pro wrestler Christopher Nowinski, who has said he had to quit the ring after a kick to the head. Nowinski is president of the ins ute and still has ties with World Wrestling Entertainment Inc., which runs the league he and Benoit were in.
A lawyer for Stamford, Conn.-based WWE did not immediately return a call Wednesday seeking comment. The company has maintained steroid use did not cause Benoit to snap.
Investigators allowed the ins ute to test Benoit's brain tissue with the permission of his father, Michael Benoit, who lives near Edmonton in Ardrossan, Alberta.
Michael Benoit said Wednesday that he agreed to the testing because murder-suicide was out of character for his son. He also disclosed that after the killings, he discovered a diary written by his son that showed his son was having problems.
"After reading the diary, I would have thought it was written by someone who was extremely disturbed at the time," Michael Benoit said.
He did not elaborate, but he did say a friend told him that prior to the murder-suicide, Chris Benoit had been wearing a rosary, which he said was also out of character.
"I think it's the extreme that is in the wrestling industry today," he told reporters. "The human skull is not built to get hit by a chair or something."
Nowinski said concussions can happen in pro wrestling even though many of the moves are staged.
"I got four concussions in three years as a professional wrestler," said Nowinski, who works for the WWE on its initiative to encourage young people to vote. "A lot of concussions happen from mistakes."
Prosecutors have said Benoit, 40, strangled his wife with a cord, used a choke hold to strangle his 7-year-old son, placed Bibles next to the bodies and hanged himself on a piece of exercise equipment the weekend of June 22.
Authorities have said Benoit's personal doctor, Phil Astin, prescribed a 10-month supply of anabolic steroids to Benoit every three to four weeks between May 2006 and May 2007. Astin has pleaded not guilty to federal charges of improperly prescribing painkillers and other drugs to two patients other than Benoit.
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3005520
Yeah...Benoit's finishing move was the diving headbutt...wouldn't suprise me if he got a lot of concussions doing that. Also all the chair shots wrestlers take....
Steroids probably had something to do with it...but how come they aren't focusing on the 10 empty beer bottles and bottle of wine found at Benoit's feet when he hung himself?
Bottom line though is that he murdered his wife and child, plain and simple. I know they want to find a reason for it because it was something that seemed so out of character for him...but that doesn't change the fact that he commited murder. Including his own innocent and helpless child. His sense of right and wrong was gone.
Same thing I thought....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAkBL4KO0WU
Really good interview by Kevin Nash on FoxNews, he doesn't let that ass neocon get under his skin very much either.
Whotttttttt was not exaggerating when he said wrestling s you up in the head....i think he said that anyways
did ya'll know that even Miss Elizabeth ing died from getting into drugs and OD'ing and ? Crazy. Miss Elizabeth.
Benoit whacked his family because his normal brain function was basically destroyed. He had advanced dementia from all the concussions he had received over his career and was both high and drunk at the time he commited the murders.
This is no way reduces the horror of what Benoit did, but they also believe he sedated his son before he strangled him so the kid probably never knew his Dad was killing him....at least there's that.
Basically the man who murdered his wife and child was not Chris Benoit the hardworking and respected in ring performer that he was for the majority of his career...but a twisted, mentally ill brain damaged/demented version of him that he was at the end of his career.
That doesn't take away what he did, but it does explain why so many people(wrestler and fan alike) had such a high opinion of a man who went onto murder his wife and child.
Oh and Nash is being incredibly disingenuous in that interview about his relationship with Benoit...they hated each other, always. Benoit and the clique all hated each other except for Triple H and Michaels.
Last edited by whottt; 10-05-2008 at 05:03 PM.
Nash is the
nWo for life
Definitely an act worthy of props.
What was Nash being disingenuous about? I bumped this thread and posted this interview because this is actually the best interview from a wrestler that I've seen about this issue. And he kept his cool. Glamorboy Chris Jericho did not come close to getting his ass eaten by some neocon stuck up like Nash did, and he kept his cool and made his points, which were valid.
The ancillary reason for bumping this thread was to see if timvp would respond to whottt btw
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