Nash: Suns Better, Deeper Than Last Year

[jman3000]

wouldnt a young sabonis have equaled a tim or dream? at least that's what i always hear.

[Reggie Miller]

Thanks for the analysis. I like the job defensively Dampier and Diop together do against Duncan, I think they were a big reason we got past the Spurs when previously we couldn't do it with Shawn Bradley, but neither one of them have any kind of consistent offensive game, and that killed us against Golden State. We just don't get any kind of points consistently from the C position and honestly I don't know what to do about that. I like Dampier if he's making MLE money, but who wants his contract?

Yep. That's why you may have to try to develop one as quickly as possible. I used to make fun of Smits back in the day, but he could score and at least contain people one on one. For his time, not so great. Now, those guys are worth their weight in gold.

The Mavericks are really a victim of their own success in a sense. They got too good too fast, instead of evolving gradually. I realize it's not really this simple, but Cuban spent too much money getting to "respectable" without much regard for Steps 2-3.

[Reggie Miller]

wouldnt a young sabonis have equaled a tim or dream? at least that's what i always hear.

Touche! I have heard that as well, but I guess I am a hard sell.

Seriously, I was having trouble coming up with another non-controversial example of a "good, but by no means great" center. Even those guys aren't that common.

[RonMexico]

These threads are getting too gay for my taste.

Suns have Western Conference Champs banners.

Mavs have Western Conference Champs banners.

Spurs have NBA Champs banners.

I want the Suns to get one of those and I'm sure the Mavs fans would like to see one too. To achieve that, either Dirk needs to grow a playoff penis or D'Antoni needs to grow a rotation management brain. Otherwise, our only hope is that Eva's whipping of Parker tires him out more by the playoffs than D'Antoni's 90 minutes per game tires out Nash.

[ShoogarBear]

You waited until after the Suns had lost a game to Atlanta to respond to try to make me look foolish.

No, I can pretty much do it at will.

[JMarkJohns]

This goes in my Legendary Threads folder. Not in an age have I seen such epic amounts of ownage.

I wouldn't say its "legendary" ... sad, pathetic, an abomination for good Suns fans, yes, but legandary its exaggerating its infamy a bit much.

I wish that Suns Troll forum would get here Clean this place up, some!!!

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To achieve that... D'Antoni needs to grow a rotation management brain.

And get his team to play defense and rebound the basketball, which are the 2 things that a team must do to win a le more than anything else, which those things are never going to happen as long as Nash and Amare is there, so I'd say your hopes are pretty much shot. Sorry.

[Findog]

And get his team to play defense and rebound the basketball, which are the 2 things that a team must do to win a le more than anything else, which those things are never going to happen as long as Nash and Amare is there, so I'd say your hopes are pretty much shot. Sorry.

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but they can and probably would beat any team in a playoff series besides San Antonio. I can't wait for them to play Boston, I'm curious to see how they match up with the Celtics.

Also, if San Antonio doesn't repeat this year, it won't be because of their Big Three, but their role players doing them in. It's a cliche and it's said every year, but at some point Barry, Finley, Horry and Bowen are going to go sour like milk. I'm sure Pop will manage their minutes wisely, though, in any event.

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I don't want to sound like a broken record, but they can and probably would beat any team in a playoff series besides San Antonio. I can't wait for them to play Boston, I'm curious to see how they match up with the Celtics.

Also, if San Antonio doesn't repeat this year, it won't be because of their Big Three, but their role players doing them in. It's a cliche and it's said every year, but at some point Barry, Finley, Horry and Bowen are going to go sour like milk. I'm sure Pop will manage their minutes wisely, though, in any event.

I honestly don't think they can beat Dallas. I think that between Diop and Bass, we got guys that can contain Amare, and Harris I think will give Nash some problems, much like Parker does with his speed, only he plays much better defense than Parker.

[DannyB]

No, I can pretty much do it at will.

Right. That's why your comeback was so ing lame. That's why you have to lie to mock me. You're a total bag.

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Right. That's why your comeback was so ing lame. That's why you have to lie to mock me. You're a total bag.

lol, ratings over championship

[monosylab1k]

Right. That's why your comeback was so ing lame. That's why you have to lie to mock me. You're a total bag.

what, no Dostoyevsky reference? instead it's " this" and " that" and " bag"?

[SpursIndonesia]

And get his team to play defense and rebound the basketball, which are the 2 things that a team must do to win a le more than anything else, which those things are never going to happen as long as Nash and Amare is there, so I'd say your hopes are pretty much shot. Sorry.

I think while those players have their MAJOR weakness, they're also MAJOR talents, that if coached correctly, can be truly serious cogs in a real championship contending team.

Dirk certainly is an under average NBA defender, but since his coach can address that weakness by solid team defense, it's not all too debilitating. OTOH, there's a coach that preaches 'run, run faster' as the best recipe for championship, LOL.

[SpursIndonesia]

I honestly don't think they can beat Dallas. I think that between Diop and Bass, we got guys that can contain Amare, and Harris I think will give Nash some problems, much like Parker does with his speed, only he plays much better defense than Parker.

Harris, better defender than Parker, a myth of a fact ? Mind you, it's a SERIOUS question, if anybody can bring some sort of statistics regarding this matter, that would be truly appreciated -i won't go homer on this if the evidences said otherwise.

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Harris, better defender than Parker, a myth of a fact ? Mind you, it's a SERIOUS question, if anybody can bring some sort of statistics regarding this matter, that would be truly appreciated -i won't go homer on this if the evidences said otherwise.

Statistics don't track defense very well. If they did, then would you believe some of the stats that say that Dirk is one the best defensive PFs in the game?

If you honestly think Parker is equal to, or better at defense then Harris, then you need a in eye exam.

[Findog]

what, no Dostoyevsky reference? instead it's " this" and " that" and " bag"?

He's going to throw a little William Faulkner at us, I bet. Just to mix things up.

[monosylab1k]

He's going to throw a little William Faulkner at us, I bet. Just to mix things up.

Either that or he'll start quoting Heart Of Darkness and then inform us that "Apocalypse Now is based on this, in case you didn't know. Go Suns!"

[ShoogarBear]

Right. That's why your comeback was so ing lame. That's why you have to lie to mock me. You're a total bag.

All takes to mock you is one functioning mitochondrion. Plankton in the sea mock you during photosynthesis breaks.

Do you want to point out to everyone exactly where I "lied"?.

Notice you haven't said one more imbecilic word about "blowouts".

[da_suns_fan__]

And get his team to play defense and rebound the basketball, which are the 2 things that a team must do to win a le more than anything else, which those things are never going to happen as long as Nash and Amare is there, so I'd say your hopes are pretty much shot. Sorry.

Rebounding is the biggest problem for the Suns. Saying the Suns don't play defense is just a cliche.

Nash led the league in charges. Marion was a top vote getter for DPOY. Bell made the all defensive first team.

I recently read a stat that the Suns were 29-1 last year when they out-rebounded their opponent.

[jmard5]

Statistics don't track defense very well. If they did, then would you believe some of the stats that say that Dirk is one the best defensive PFs in the game?

Very true. See last year's DPOY.

[Findog]

Rebounding is the biggest problem for the Suns. Saying the Suns don't play defense is just a cliche.

Adjusted for pace and # of possessions per game, they are average. That's not good enough if you want to win a le. They're not terrible, but you don't play crap teams like Charlotte or Seattle in the playoffs.

Nash led the league in charges.

Capitalize your O, mother er.

Marion was a top vote getter for DPOY. Bell made the all defensive first team.

Two very good defenders in their starting lineup, and yet they are average. The Suns are the most efficient offensive team in the league, and nobody can keep up with them if they push the pace and increase the # of possessions. And they definitely don't need Kurt Thomas to run teams out of the gym in January. But without him, they will flounder against good half-court teams with b2basket scorers in the playoffs.

I recently read a stat that the Suns were 29-1 last year when they out-rebounded their opponent

Which would make them 32-20 when they didn't. That's good, but again, you only play good teams after April.

[SpursIndonesia]

Statistics don't track defense very well. If they did, then would you believe some of the stats that say that Dirk is one the best defensive PFs in the game?

If you honestly think Parker is equal to, or better at defense then Harris, then you need a in eye exam.

I made the question, since NBA coverage isn't that extensive in my country -some from local TV, more from ESPN Asia & Star TV, so i don't catch the Spurs & Mavs games all that much. What i mean by stats are perhaps the likes of head to head matchup, plus-minus, something like that.

So don't get y like Suns troll, give me some numbers, and like what i've said before, if the proofs are convincing enough, i'll leave my rose colored glass and admit the righteousness of your premise that Harris is the better defender compared to Parker.

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Rebounding is the biggest problem for the Suns. Saying the Suns don't play defense is just a cliche.

Nash led the league in charges. Marion was a top vote getter for DPOY. Bell made the all defensive first team.

I recently read a stat that the Suns were 29-1 last year when they out-rebounded their opponent.

Rebounding is a part of defense. If you don't rebound well, you don't play good defense. The point of defense is to limit your opponents opportunites and likeliness of scoring. If they don't have a bunch of second and third chance points because you are rebounding the ball well, then you are limiting their opportunities, and giving yourself more, thus rebounding is a MAJOR part of good defense. There has never been a good defensive team that couldn't rebound.

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I made the question, since NBA coverage isn't that extensive in my country -some from local TV, more from ESPN Asia & Star TV, so i don't catch the Spurs & Mavs games all that much. What i mean by stats are perhaps the likes of head to head matchup, plus-minus, something like that.

So don't get y like Suns troll, give me some numbers, and like what i've said before, if the proofs are convincing enough, i'll leave my rose colored glass and admit the righteousness of your premise that Harris is the better defender compared to Parker.

I'm not a Suns troll, in genius. Read mother er.

If you knew a damn thing about basketball, you would know that statistics do not always show good defense. Perfect evidence of that is your very own, Bruce Bowen. He gets almost no steals and no blocks, yet he is the best defender in the NBA. Why? Because he locks guys up, and makes them take the hardest ing shots possible.

But to help you, since you want stats, here are some. Harris averages more steals and more blocks in less minutes than Parker, not to mention he doesn't have a dominant defender like Tim Duncan behind him. You happy now? Now I wish to extend an invitation to you to kindly help yourself to a warm glass of shut the up.

[SpursIndonesia]

LOL, what a . Perhaps you have such a bad day that affect your hormone balance, okay, whatever. I'm done discussing that with U, and like what you've said your self, those stats number doesn't really tell the truth. Have a good day fella !