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dude, you're not keeping your end of the deal.
Fan watchie, fan no likey, now is time for you to leavey
$13,500,000 over 3 years is what he tell me he need. This if he opt out of deal after 1 year and do Spurs favor of not have to pay buyout to Panathinaikos. Understands this just be equal to what Barcelona offers him with salary and benefit to plays with them. He also take less money to play with Panathinaikos to be at home but also remembers before leave Rockets he offers $16,500,000 by PAO team but have to take less this time because of team had already sign so many other player and still want sign Sharas too.
But he can get similar offer from PAO and Olympiacos in future.
So he be giving Spurs DISCOUNT.
Also Nash have 6 years $60 million contract with Suns so how is $13.5 millions same as $60 millions? You think Spurs not interest in get new 6 man in Billy and when Barry and Finley leave Manu start and this only cost $13.5 million?
How such player you get for $13.5 million? You have to pay at least all MLE for any American player that can do this be 6 man on champion team. You fan have no grasp of basic things.
dude, you're not keeping your end of the deal.
Fan watchie, fan no likey, now is time for you to leavey
300 posts and all of them about Spanoulis...
What are you? his ing manager? You working on commision or something???
If you Manu fan for real like me then you should also understand what Billy can do.
Compare to Manu
Manu have America champions, World Champions 2nd place and Olympics champion
Billy have Europes champions which much higher than America champions maybe even world champions, he have 2nd World Champions and he have 4th Olympics champions
and he lead scorer player of as team. You not able to have same understand of what he do international as what Manu do? Why Spurs not want most success player in FIBA in world that available them that not already on team?
ok... its taking me a little to decipher the dialect, but first impressions would sujest you still haven't answered my question, have you??
As says before I meets him in Amarrousion where he first play for our team there. We friend but his manager we not like in as. His manager one who convince him leave Spurs because manager get percent shares of buyout AND new contract with PAO team so if Billy stay with Spurs manager just get share of Rocket contract which be much smaller.
Agent one that kept telling him to leave and convince him even though because his mom sick and he need leave Spurs for one year for her manager one convince him sign big 3 years with big buyout but manager had to agree player opt out deal with after one year of PAO because Spurs wants Billy back. But manager greed try ruin this. I tell Billy before what we thinks here of his manager.
Kill Bill, let me see if I can speak to you in your own language so you might get the point......
Please, for love of God the!! Stop tell me about the Spanoulis Billy the player.
Sucks does pg for the Euro suck suckity suck. We like more hear not him no and no you especially not so.
Go please away post stopping about no more him.
Span spam more no.
We don't give a about Vaginis, and
We don't give a about you!
off and die already.
Kill Bill, I watched both vids twice. I came to these conclusions.
1. Spanoulis doesn't have a NBA shot. He was even missing layups. I'll concede he got fouled on some of them, but Parker would have finished. Spanoulis wasn't even close on the trajectory on some of them. He can't make it at SG.
2. On Defense he is very agressive and I like that. I don't know if he has the footspeed to be that agressive and succeed in the NBA against quicker point guards.
3. His Passing is very good and I can see why you compare him to Nash. Sometimes it doesn't look like he has a seam, but he is able to thread it in there. Good vision. But is he fast enough to play against NBA PGs?
4. Free throw shooting is excellent. Perhaps his lack of real shooting skills could be offset by getting to the free throw line on shots where he misses.
Summary: He may light up the Euro league, but seems to be a 'tweener' (PG OR SG?)in the NBA who might make it or not.
Salary Requirements:
Spanoulis tells you he wants 13,500,000 for three years from the Spurs and could get 16,000,000+ elsewhere in Europe. Let's look at our payroll before the season:
Tim Duncan -- $19,014,188
Tony Parker -- $10,500,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,079,811
Brent Barry -- $5,544,370
Bruce Bowen -- $4,125,000
Robert Horry -- $3,630,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Michael Finley -- $3,103,000
Francisco Elson -- $3,000,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,750,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590
Spanoulis's figure would put him at a salary higher than Bowen and all the rest of the role players on down the line. Do you really think the Spurs, with one of the best Front Offices in the league, are going to pay out $4.5 million a year to a so-far unproven NBA talent with the qualifications(?) listed above? I don't think the team and the player will be able to get an agreement on salary, especially with the evil manager in the background.
He's a risky choice because of temperament and unproven NBA talent. I'd take him back on a one year make good contract at $1,500,000 and let his play determine his value in the NBA.
It's still too much. The Spurs will not blow their entire midlevel exception on a guy who couldn't average 3 points a game in the NBA, no matter how many excuses you make for that. You may know Greek basketball, but we know the Spurs and the NBA.So he be giving Spurs DISCOUNT.
Well said.
This video is a bad example of why we should want him. He might be a good player, but he looks like garbage on this video. He has some nice drive and kick passes, but most, if not all NBA point guards can do that, especially in Europe. To me, it looks like he only has above average vision, good free throw shooter, average touch from the outside, poor finisher... and I can't see any defense. I don't see the big deal about this player.
Spanoulis is a pussy made of the same stuff as Fran Vasquez. He is not wanted here.
With KBP and the Churches of Beno and Scola around, I sometimes wonder if Spurs fans are actually the minority around here.
I would definitely take Spanoulis, for the right price. The guy has skills. But 4.5M per is way out of my thinking. If Spanoulis is serious about playing in the NBA then he can sign a Udoka style deal and prove he belongs. Even Arvydas Macijauskas only took 2.5M from the Hornets when he came over...and they were desperate for outside shooting. The Spurs are hardly desperate for anything Spanoulis can offer (but definitely interested). If he won't settle for anything lower than 4.5M then I'm not interested. Period.
Frankly though, this is getting old. KillBillPana, I think you've started enough threads about Billy. Theres not much to report right now, so stop spamming the forums. When the offseason hits (and if there is any rumbling in the Spurs or Spanoulis camp) then we can start more threads on the guy. But until then, enough is freaking enough!
I like the Spanoulis updates and like reading Kill Bill Pana's posts.
I just think there should be a single thread, like the Official Scola Thread, and the Official Beno Thread.
We need an "Official Spanoulis Thread"
Finally something I can understand without using babelfish.
Dear KBP,
Thanks a lot for your great contributions to this forum.
Unfortunately, and obviously, people here are stupid and stubborn.
For whatever reason, they can't see, hear or listen unless this is SPURS - SAN ANTONIO SPURS - related.
Your words are lost in this desert.
And I feel how sad you can be by yourself.
But I have good news for you, brother.
Somewhere, people - clever, open-minded - are in bad need of a prophet.
They are waiting for you though they don't know it and you don't know it neither.
How can you reach them?
Go there and write the same words you wrote in this forum hundreds of times, relentlessly - as a point guard relentlessly taking it to the rim -:
www.topix.com/forum/nba/cleveland-cavaliers
miamiheatwave.com/forums/
lakers.topbuzz.com/
Tell the truth, bring the light.
And by the way, forget and forgive us.
And please, don't say thank you, we didn' deserve you.
Like some I would take him for the right price but he isn't getting anywhere near what KBP says he needs. His needs - 13.50M over 3 years- and the Spurs needs are two different things.
KBP you need to understand - V-Span is an unproven player on the NBA level. He will have to earn that type of salary you think he deserves. Nobody in this league will give him that based on your opinions and youtube.
And Chumpdumper is right - people in this forum know the NBA better than you and what particularly works in FIBA doesn't neccessarily work in the NBA.
Take Darkwaters advice and chill until the off season. Then your threads will have more relevancy.
KBP - I'll make it simple for you:
Coach Pop = mentally tough
Spurs = mentally tough
Billy = ran away from NBA like little girl = NOT mentally tough.
I don't mind if you stick around here, the more the merrier, but give up on the obsession dude, seriously...
i dont care how talented he is...
HE CHOSE TO LEAVE THE SPURS.
i don't care what his agent told him...
IT WAS ULTIMATELY HIS CHOICE, AND HE CHOSE TO LEAVE THE SPURS.
why would the Spurs trust any significant responsibility to an unproven player who doesn't even have the balls to deal with the pressure of his own agent?
IT WAS HIS CHOICE. HE MADE THE WRONG ONE.
Stop trying to convince fans that a player that disrespected the team by walking away from a contract and a chance to play for them now deserves more money than Bruce Bowen. that and him.
If the message still isn't clear, let me help you out.
ing leave already.
This is his NBA video on the youtube you tell me he not have speed and shoot ability for NBA or quick enough? He make the other players look SLOW.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2JxYa3QqBYo
If he not have NBA talents then this video must be fake magic
Last edited by Kill_Bill_Pana; 01-04-2008 at 01:17 PM.
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