Suns and Heat in Talks of Marion/Shaq Trade

[SoSoSharp]

I don't expect to get a good reception for my opinions on a Spurs board, I'm just stating the general consensus outside of San Antonio. Just consider that Tim Donaghy was associated with that game.

[timvp]

I like that the teams are adjusting to account for Duncan's Spurs.

I truly think Kerr saw the Spurs suck and still beat the Suns and that was the end of the small ball era in the NBA. He knew that the Suns weren't beating the Spurs in the playoffs ... so he went out and got the one player who has single-handedly beaten the Spurs in the Duncan era.

Adding Shaq and getting rid of Marion was a great idea. It might not pan out but I just gained a lot of respect for Kerr. He could have easily lived with status quo and gone out in the WCF like usual. But he instead decided to swing for the fences.

[T Park]

I don't expect to get a good reception for my opinions on a Spurs board, I'm just stating the general consensus outside of San Antonio. Just consider that Tim Donaghy was associated with that game.

Your opinions arent whats not liked.

Thinking your opinions are fact and them being full of is what will get you laughed out of here.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't expect to get a good reception for my opinions on a Spurs board, I'm just stating the general consensus outside of San Antonio. Just consider that Tim Donaghy was associated with that game.

What was the point of listing your favorite team as the Spurs?

[T Park]

Adding Shaq and getting rid of Marion was a great idea. It might not pan out but I just gained a lot of respect for Kerr. He could have easily lived with status quo and gone out in the WCF like usual. But he instead decided to swing for the fences.

Exactly, and if it don't work, he can say "Well Shaq isn't healthy and we had to move Shawn for chemistry sake"

Kerr either way comes out smelling like a rose.

[Don Quixote]

Let's not overreact here. Seriously.

Phoenix, who was a pretender to the le, traded a very good player ... for Shaq. A washed-up, out-of-shape, injured Shaq. How's that going to help Phoenix? Not much.

The last thing the Spurs need to do is try to match up with those clowns in Phoenix. This talk of going out and getting centers who can guard Shaq is ridiculous. It's not 2000 anymore. We'll take em with who we've got. We've beaten Phoenix before, and you can be sure we'll beat them again.

I repeat: Phoenix will never, and I mean never, win a le as long as the Spurs are good. It doesn't matter who they trot out at center.

[Manudona]

What was the point of listing your favorite team as the Spurs?

He is so-so sharp

[SoSoSharp]

I never said they were fact, I said that that is what people generally think outside of San Antonio. I am neither a San Antonio fan, nor a Phoenix fan, here. You can't respectfully disagree with me, that's fine, but don't tell me that I'm "full of ," because I cast a dissenting opinion.

[timvp]

Shaq has no lift whatsoever anymore. He's a s of his former self. I get that Phoenix had to do something with Marion's sorry ass, but I don't see where this guy's going to help. O'Neal has never played defense, and now he couldn't even if he wanted to. The motivation may be there, but he's shot physically. He's at best 1/5 of the player he was when he was winning les in LA.

This reminds me of the Rockets getting Barkley back in the day, once he was way past his prime and could only shoot threes and hold the ball for 10-15 seconds in the post.

The sick athleticism that made Shaq such a force from 93-04 is gone, and it ain't coming back.

I hope you're right. But a desperate and motivated Shaq still worries me. I've never seen him play desperate before.

[T Park]

Don Quixote, that thinking is what killed the Spurs in 06 I'm afraid....

[SoSoSharp]

What was the point of listing your favorite team as the Spurs?

Maybe I don't have a favorite team? Maybe I just happen to be a basketball fan, and "Spurs" was the default option?

[T Park]

I never said they were fact, I said that that is what people generally think outside of San Antonio. I am neither a San Antonio fan, nor a Phoenix fan, here. You can't respectfully disagree with me, that's fine, but don't tell me that I'm "full of ," because I cast a dissenting opinion.

HOnestly,

what anyone thinks OUTSIDE of San Antonio?

Doesn't friggen matter.


You didn't cast a dissenting opinion.

You said the SPurs won due to partial officiating.

Thats not giving an opinion, thats acting like it was a fact.

[Kori Ellis]

Maybe I don't have a favorite team? Maybe I just happen to be a basketball fan, and "Spurs" was the default option?

Or maybe you are just an obvious troll.

Maybe.

[baseline bum]

WTF?!?!!?



Yeah that makes sense.

Unfortunately, like they said, he might have looked like that due to non motivation and might look better now revived with the Suns.

Motivation doesn't affect how high you can jump or how quick your moves are. What made Shaq great in the day was how quickly he could spin on someone; how fast he'd get up and throw it down; how he was always a threat on the alley-oop because no one could recover in time from his spin and his ability to outjump any other bigman by a ridiculous margin.

None of that is there anymore. His agility. His speed. His quick jump. His height on his jump... all gone. Even his mouth is gone.

[T Park]

Maybe I don't have a favorite team? Maybe I just happen to be a basketball fan, and "Spurs" was the default option?

Or your living in your mother's basement bored and looking for attention.

[T Park]

Motivation doesn't affect how high you can jump or how quick your moves are. What made Shaq great in the day was how quickly he could spin on someone; how fast he'd get up and throw it down; how he was always a threat on the alley-oop because no one could recover in time from his spin and his ability to outjump any other bigman by a ridiculous margin.

None of that is there anymore. His agility. His speed. His quick jump. His height on his jump... all gone.

He can still muscle and shove Oberto and Elson out of the way and get a layup.

[SoSoSharp]

I said they benefited, don't twist my words.

Amare has ALWAYS given Tim Duncan trouble. He is the greatest power forward to ever play, he is one of the greatest low post defenders to ever play, but Amare is very fast, and very athletic, two things that aren't necessarily strengths for Timmy at this stage in his career.

[E20]

I hope you're right. But a desperate and motivated Shaq still worries me. I've never seen him play desperate before.

Whoever said he was desperate/motivated? This is the same jargon that has came out every year for the past 3-4 seasons and in the end is proven to be just talk. As of now Shaq has played the complete opposite, even with this newly found desperation/motivation that he has found for the umpteenth time, Shaq is GREATLY hindered by injuries and age, as well as 400lbs of unneccassary weight on him, Baseline_Bum said it best when he said that Shaq is 1/20th of the player he is.

[T Park]

I said they benefited, don't twist my words.

Amare has ALWAYS given Tim Duncan trouble. He is the greatest power forward to ever play, he is one of the greatest low post defenders to ever play, but Amare is very fast, and very athletic, two things that aren't necessarily strengths for Timmy at this stage in his career.

Benefited means helped

You think the refs were biased twords the Spurs, wich if you watched games 2 and 4 you would say otherwise.

So Amare is a tough matchup on offense.

So what.

[SoSoSharp]

Or your living in your mother's basement bored and looking for attention.

Jeeeeesus Christ, okay okay, sorry sorry. I'm not trying to diss your favorite team, I'm just saying, this is what I've seen. Take it for what it is, disagree with it, or whatever, but there's really no need to thrash me for not agreeing with the status quo on this board. I'm not insulting any of you guys.

[T Park]

Whoever said he was desperate/motivated.

Going to Phoenix and being dubbed the savior is motivation.

[duncan228]

But a desperate and motivated Shaq still worries me. I've never seen him play desperate before.

That's a scary thought.

I don't think he has much left, but if he can rise up just enough it could get scary.

[T Park]

Jeeeeesus Christ, okay okay, sorry sorry. I'm not trying to diss your favorite team, I'm just saying, this is what I've seen. Take it for what it is, disagree with it, or whatever, but there's really no need to thrash me for not agreeing with the status quo on this board. I'm not insulting any of you guys.

There is no status quo.

Your coming in here trying to act like some know it all by spouting BS.

Your insulting our intelligence by saying that the refs had a hand in the series.

[T Park]

TIMVP, quick thought.

If there WAS, wich I don't think there was. A deal on the table for Tyrus Thomas.

Does it get made now to where Thomas can guard Stoudamire, Duncan Shaq.

Quick Question

[baseline bum]

Enough with arguing with the dumbass troll. Nothing worse than a good thread being hijacked by some jerk-off whining about the Suns losing.