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I know it's been posted a thousand times, but I'll never understand the thinking behind Pau's deal. What an awful contract and that should have been obvious to RC.
Them taking Pau back would be HUGE. I'd be fine with that haul.
I know it's been posted a thousand times, but I'll never understand the thinking behind Pau's deal. What an awful contract and that should have been obvious to RC.
Kings 2019 pick is protected, and if they win the lottery, you wind up with Philly's pick, likely in the 20s, since they'll be a playoff team and then some.
Miami's unprotected pick is rare. Those almost never come on to the market. Riley should be fired for trading it like that, and for having a cap sheet that is such a ing mess. In 2019-2020, they will have SEVEN players pulling 8 figure salaries, only one other contract, and they're already at $118M, with roster spots yet to fill. None of those players are stars, and with their salaries, no one will want them. Several of them have player options, but looking at them, and a cap that is either stagnant, or growing very slowly, I can't see any of them opting out.
See for yourself: https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/MIA.html
I like brown and the kings pick, but want no part of the Hayward contract.
If Spurs took the philly package and traded patty and then dumped Gasol next offseason, you'd have a bunch of young assets and potentially a bunch of cap space.
Isn't the Kings pick top 1 protected? if so, I like gambling on that better than hoping Miami is complete ass in the next 2 years. A lot can change in 2 NBA years tbh.
None of this works if Kawhi doesn't give some sort of longer term commitment. If I'm Boston I sit tight for now. They can find plenty of suitors for Hayward to other teams I think.
can't remember where i read it but someone had tried justifying it by saying he had opted out so the spurs could potentially have space for cp3. and then the spurs owed him.
but it was reported that the spurs weren't really interested in cp3 so idk.
When you ask a player to opt out so that you can create cap room, there is usually a sweetener involved. They don't HAVE to do what you want. If you reach an understanding, your plans fall through (thanks, CP3), and you backtrack and screw them over, no player will ever opt out for you again.
He only really got one extra year, plus $6M that can be stretched out over the following 3 years, or eaten in one chunk, whatever works best at the time.
Look at their cap sheet. It's in my previous post, the one you quoted that I'm quoting you on. It's a mess.
I can't find it right now, but I also read somewhere that the Sacto pick is top 1 protected, and also protected if it falls lower than 9 or maybe 10. It may not convey at all, or you could wind up with Philly's pick, because they put conditions on it when they flipped it to Boston in the Fultz trade.
Agree to disagree. I just like the odds of Sacramento's picking being between 1 and 9 next draft as opposed to gambling that a team with a good coach + Pat Riley being absolute two seasons from now.
Hayward is 28, and still hasn't recovered yet from his surgery to repair the leg and insert screws. He's also making a ton on a recent long term contract. He's not a desirable asset right now.
You're also making the SAME mistake as a lot of other posters. You see the Boston trade in a vacuum, like they're the only ones playing the trade game. Philly's in the game, too, and neither team can let the other have Kawhi.
Lol oh my god I didn't think it was possible to be disgusted by someone else's decision making but that Miami roster is as sad as you can get.
I mean that is flagrantly bad GMing.... you hit it on the nail with the star players comment:
This is what Miami is paying not just for next year, but for at least two seasons:
$25m Whiteside
$19m Tyler Johnson
$18m Dragic
$14m James Johnson (3 yrs left)
$11m Waiters (3 yrs left)
$11m Olynck (3 yrs left)
$9m Josh Richardson (4 yrs left)
I mean comparatively our moaning about Patty, Gasoft, and Danny's salaries looks silly.
Just thank goodness you aren't a Heat fan. This isn't a cellar dweller franchise....they were winning multiple les earlier this decade.
If Philly gives us that Miami pick definitely ups the ante.....
We'll have to do that, then. The thing is, the Miami pick is a sure thing, it WILL convey in 2021, and their (traded to PHO) pick this year was BETTER than ours, #16 overall. They were like a 7th seed in the EC, and I don't see lots of chances to improve.
yeah. even if the Heat don't get worse, they are not getting better. No one is taking on that Whiteside contract.
It's not that we don't like 2018 Pau. We don't like his contract. If he was paid relatively close to what his game gives us, nobody would have a problem with him.Just because Spur fans don't like the 2018 version of MVPau doesn't change the fact that prime MVPau carried Kobe, tbh.
And you're playing the vacuum as if Boston must trade for Kawhi. If you look at it from Boston's perspective they shouldn't be in any rush to make a trade unless they are certain it benefits them (longterm Kawhi). Hayward's value has dropped obviously but the pure fact that he has value is the reason Boston is in good position because they Have Jaylen Brown and Tatum already (They don't need Hayward). Rumors have suggested they are more apt to trading Hayward or Kyrie before they trade any of their young assets. It is a bigger risk to lose key assets for a one year lease vs staying pat. They are already the favorites in the East.
You can compare to Philly's deal of getting Kawhi. If Philly does get Kawhi they have to give them assets too. It does not put them over the top. You also suggested dangling the pick to Sacramento. That is far fetched too. The only way this works out is if Kawhi plays ball which is what the Spurs I am sure are trying to make happen right now.
I really do hope Spurs will not regret the chance of trading Leonard on draft night.
Philly getting Kawhi makes them conference favorites, instantly. They would have Embiid, who Boston has NO answer for, Kawhi and Simmons, who is better than BOTH of Boston's young wing players. That's not even factoring in the possibility of LeBron.
It's arguable if that line up is better than, Rozier, Kyrie, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Horford. VERY Arguable. Any indication from sources Philly actually gives up Fultz, 1st rounder, Robert Covington, for a 1-yr lease too? I didn't think so.
I wonder if Sacramento could be included on the deal and given an asset for giving up that protection? If not, I'd want the Memphis pick added to mitigate the risk.
Waiting for Shams to drop the “SA and Kawhi are nearing an agreement” tweet Sunday
I truly hope SA gets a great offer early in free agency. Make your move and have enough time in free agency to build with life after Kawhi.
I think Philly added the protection when they flipped it in the Fultz/Tatum trade.
I can't for the life of me understand how people here still don't get that....
Two PGs, three SFs, and a PF. Embiid would feast on that.
Yes, Phoenix essentially traded Dragic straight up for Bridges. All of this goes to show how massive Miami’s 2021 pick could prove for the Sixers’ efforts in acquiring Kawhi Leonard this offseason, with whom Brown has a deep relationship after winning the 2014 NBA le together in San Antonio. “How do you acquire things that can attract stars and develop stars?” Brown told reporters Thursday. “That pick might be the key to all of this. That pick might be the thing that links a possible trade.”
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/23/mi...s-pacers-hawks
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