Its not.
Here's what I'm trying to tell you DPG and why you shouldn't count on % alone to evaluate if a team is an "Elite" three point shooting team.
For starters, we're dealing with mostly role players who will have off nights. Some Nights they will shot 1-6 some nights they'll go 4-6.
Here's what you're forgeting though. In a Game. Even if Lopez, Middleton go cold, they still have bledsoe, mirotic, connaughton, brogdon, hill etc.
They have way too many capable shooters. They only need one or two to go ham. That's ELITE Levelnpf shooting in a game to game basis.
Nevermind that Giannis is waiting to pounce.
Again these players can do quick release three pointers too.
This guy gets it.
Giannis is always surrounded by players who are all threats.
You double or triple attempafteethrow...They wilĺl eventually find two out of their 9 rotiational players that will get hot from the three.
Oh stay on shooters you say..
Giannis is going for a 14-18 night.
For sure, I get that; doesn’t change what I am saying. But it’s funny you bring up SA on this particular topic because they are the same.
SA had a similar offense to MIL in terms of actual production. Very different styles, but similar results. Watching SA it was hard to believe they were so effective on offense given their build and style.
That’s what I was saying with MIL. I know they are good. I know they have some shooting. But they aren’t elite shooters which makes it even more surprising they were so effective.
I get that; I was not saying MIL should suck. I was simply saying that the strategy you have laid out here is somewhat amazing that it works SO well. That is a tough strategy IMO, but Giannis is that good.
I know hes not WB; I said that in the other thread in the nba forum. Was just making a point about how with pretty mediocre shooters if we are being honest and with Giannis really having no outside game, they still manufacture really good offense.
If Embid wasn't a world class pussy, the 76ers would have won game 5, and they'd be up 3-1. I've never seen such a big talent shy from the big stage as much as he's doing. 7 ing shots. Sad.
Giannis, Bledsoe, Middleton, Brogdon, Lopez, Hill, Mirotic, Ilyasova. Everybody can shoot, everybody can drive, everybody can finish, everybody can pass. I really don't think it's "amazing" to see an offense with that kind of talent working well, tbh.
When you are talking about a main guy that can’t shoot and shooters around him that are below league average to me it is. Even if they can all do many things, there is no denying that as a group they are a mediocre shooting team.
Evidently it isn't. It seems like having many guys that can give you average level shooting is just as important (if not more) than having a couple elite ones (just look at the Rockets as another example). Also, it seems like versatility is still more important than pure shooting, as long as you aren't a complete liability on that aspect. Finally, coach Bud runs a great system.
So then you are not surprised that SA’s offense was pretty close to MIL? You seem to be of the mindset that SA needs more 3PTA per game, but the results of SA offense are in line with MIL.
So evidently it isn’t a surprise since we see the result; process be damned.
Spurs offensive efficiency did surprise me a little (although, as expected, it went to in the playoffs). Bucks' offense, looking at it's personel and system, doesn't surprise me one bit, tbh.
Evidently it isn't surprising. It seems like having many guys that can give you good mid-range shooting is just as important (if not more) than having a couple elite ones (just look at the Rockets as another example). Also, it seems like having just a few high % 3PT shooters around mid-range guys is still more important than pure shooting and attempts per game, as long as you aren't a complete liability on that aspect. Finally, coach Pop runs a great system.
That’s how you sound in your rebuttal to me.
Dude, why so defensive?Evidently it isn't surprising. It seems like having many guys that can give you good mid-range shooting is just as important (if not more) than having a couple elite ones (just look at the Rockets as another example). Also, it seems like having just a few high % 3PT shooters around mid-range guys is still more important than pure shooting and attempts per game, as long as you aren't a complete liability on that aspect. Finally, coach Pop runs a great system.
That’s how you sound in your rebuttal to me
And yeah, that post you mockingly wrote about the Spurs' offense must hold true too. That's why they were also a top ranked offense.
I was laughing; I was saying I know the Bucks offense is good. That was not the debate. It was that in watching them, for me, it didn’t leap off the screen as to why it was so effective on the surface.Dude, why so defensive?
And yeah, that post you mockingly wrote about the Spurs' offense must hold true too. That's why they were also a top ranked offense.
That process is what I was talking about; Giannis not having an outside shoot, a system relying on drive and kicks to overall mediocre shooters. It definitely works, they get enough out of plenty of guys even if it’s not consistent night to night and Giannis even with his limitations is tough to deal with.
Was just waxing poetic about how crazy it is that it came together so effectively. You think all those things I mentioned equal a great offense normally; I’m saying I dont see any other top offense like that.
and the most important: all of them can play defense
The Rockets have a top offense consisting of a bunch of mediocre 3pt shooters too, tbh. They are more of a surprise to me than the Bucks. Milwaukee at least runs offensive sets instead of isoing everytime down the court.
Ya - that part is not the surprise. While SA and MIL had similar offensive production the huge gap was how much better MIL was defensively.
Anytime you have an offensive juggernaut like Harden (KD, Curry, Bron) it’s less surprising to me. Harden can do everything offensively unlike Giannis.
Yeah, that fuels a good offense too. Bucks are similar to the 2015 Warriors in the sense that they have 7/8 guys that are above average on both ends of the floor and can do a bunch of different things.
Giannis is an offensive Juggernaut on his own right, tbh. 28 ppg and 6 apg on 58% shooting are historic numbers.
Yup. That, especially in the regular season, is where Bucks and Giannis excelled. Their defense was great and Giannis is unstoppable in transition.
Sure. He’s very unique. Westbrook averages a ton of points too and tons of assists (although not as efficient). But Giannis has the same shooting flaws as WB. Giannis plays like prime shaq in half court and then the rest is transition. He’s no where near KD or Harden though.
i asked this really early on and never got an answer... can TOR make kawhi part owner as a current player? not large percentage. is that illegal though? i guess maybe not since max contracts + part ownership would be a thing.
that kind of money / value is what could have kawhi thinking twice about leaving.
and SMH at the spurs... said day 1 after the trade that they made it too soon.
Leonard has been nothing short of amazing
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