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saying we should make a win now trade while not even making the playoffs is crazy work
If the Bucks want Giannis, the Spurs should not give up more than Harper and salary match, and that's it; and personally, I would not do this because I'm here for Wemby and the three-guard beast. Also, I don't want to pay to see how Giannis' body holds up after two or three more years.
Harper alone is worth more than three first round picks, but I get the feeling that the internet at large regards him as just one of some theoretical multiple firsts that must come in a Giannis deal. If Milwaukee wants more, Cleveland is down the hall.
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saying we should make a win now trade while not even making the playoffs is crazy work
Castle kind of already is. For less than the MLE, you get a guy who gets to the rim at will, draws fouls, and defends, all as a rookie. I did say “to a lesser extent “. Those two will provide outsized value on their rookie deals. Not +$50M like Victor, but I could easily see +$20-25M, each. Giannis will cost you dollar for dollar, and doesn’t solve our shooting issues, and in fact, makes them worse.
I'm not in favor of trading Harper + Castle for Giannis. I just want to be realistic and not over value what we have by anointing them that sort of level when the one with promise was inefficient and the other one has never played a game.
That's it?
You just try to present things that are completely wrong as undeniable facts, then disappear from the topic as soon as someone points out how much off the mark your "facts" actually are?
But when someone makes a honest mistake like mixing up if we traded away MIN swap or pick, you won't let them hear the end of it.
Typical re .
This is probably right, but what's nice is the Spurs can waive them if they need to. Hopefully we take viable roster candidates into camp and if someone should beat them out, then the Spurs should have no hesitation of simply waiving them. Their dead money for a single season should not be an impediment.
Brian Wright should just do what I think he probably always does... make the offer that he feels comfortable with that doesn't give up any of our prime assets (in this case, Castle and #2) and then just let the chips fall where they may. Maybe a future pick heavy package around Vassell and Sochan is the best MIL can do, and once the trade cat is out of the bag it's hard to put it back in with players.
Maybe we'll get fortunate and get another trade steal, like with Fox. And if not, you didn't overpay.
I often say that Brian Wright doesn't like to play high stakes poker... and it's not even a criticism. I think he has a disciplined and well reasoned approach to trades and while it may take him out of the game for some deals, it prevents him from making mistakes and overpaying for someone who ends up disappointing (like a lot of big deals end up doing). I'm happy with Brian's approach.
My gripe with Brian Wright has been his drafting, except when he gets a no brainer pick. He does worse than consensus here, and that's saying something. However, he's very poised and strategically sound, plus he's a lucky SOB. Just make changes to the scouting department, Spurs don't hit on a pick except if it's gift wrapped.
Definitely a fair criticism (and it's been one of my historic criticisms of him, though I'm turning the corner - but that is biased by a stroke of generational luck with #1, #4 and now #2), but at some point I think we have to evaluate the process and not only the outcomes.
While I can pluck others whom I would have taken over Vassell, Primo, Sochan, Wesley and Branham... Primo's really the only one where the process needs to be questioned. Every other pick I can make a reasonable case for. They've just worked out to varying degrees (even Branham I see the case for it). Primo was just inexplicably bad... but I'm hoping the team evaluated the process failures there and has corrected them.
Hopefully as we move to an era where we aren't getting top 5 picks, we start seeing some better outcomes. We'll get our first chance to see what they do this year at #14! If they make an egregious reach, then I think it will be fair for us to start wondering about this again.
mike finger had some solid points on his podcast where he shot down some of the reasons fans give for making a giannis trade and the one i agreed with the most was the one in which he points out that adding Giannis to a team that would lose some pieces does not make the Spurs a contender right away. castle and wemby have no playoff experience (it would be moot if the bucks managed to rob the spurs to the point of taking both harper and castle from us). it would probably take a couple of years to get to where they were legit le contenders.
for me, it just makes more sense to build the way the pacers have, or OKC, or denver, or boston or any of the other teams that have either won a le or been in the mix these past few years. three years ago, OKC had picks that were very similar to the spurs and with those picks they added: holmgrem (2nd), dieng (11th), Jalen Williams (12th) and Jaylen Williams (34th). three years later, three of those four have been big pieces to their current run.
maybe we get some news that Giannis plans to stay or has a list that does not include the spurs and this quiets all the noise.
This is what I'm saying, it is short term 2/3 years window, then Victor will be 23/24 you can rebuild around him on a phase 2. Spurs just did that after Tim first le with David. Then and as also wrote Castle and Harper are potential to be developped, Giannis is a proven vet who already won a le.
I wouldn't say Castle was "gift wrapped", tbh.
We went over it in Giannis topic, best case scenario Spurs would have Fox/Castle/Barnes/Giannis/Wemby with just Champ left of all the bench players and one tradeable FRP available.
That's the best case scenario, Bucks probably ask for more.
What mo and I are doing isn’t exchanging facts, it’s discussing opinions. The fact that you can’t tell the difference means that you need to sit TF down, because the adults are talking.
Obviously you would need to trade assets but you have a selfless super star that will enter in his prime, you can absolutely build around that strong fundation through trades and attract free agents on a later stage
You ing re you said year 3 Sochan and Aaron Gordon are on the similar 3pt shooting level only to be easily proven wrong by multiple posts with stats included and then you do your usual of just disappearing and playing dumb.
Even that would've been fine if you weren't the resident re who keeps beating a dead horse every time there's a bad take or even an honest mistake.
Like a week ago I had an in-depth post about a potential trade and mixed up if we have the MIN pick or swap left only for you to berate me all day long even though it was completely irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
You're not getting off easy on this one.
well I think if you can retain either Castle or Harper then you go for it.
A team with a core of Giannis Victor and Fox is a serious candidate to a le year 1 even with ing Mitch Johnson. Giannis gives you rebound, defense, strong presence, he even bring some playmaking. The only thing I hate about his game is his FT shooting.
Similar: resembling without being identical.
That wasn’t an opinion, it was an incorrectly stated fact. I think I mentioned it, you took offense instead of dropping a simple “my bad”, and you began pursuing me throughout the forum like The Hound of the Baskervilles.Like a week ago I had an in-depth post about a potential trade and mixed up if we have the MIN pick or swap left only for you to berate me all day long even though it was completely irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
You're not getting off easy on this one.
I’ve agreed with stuff you’ve posted, and dropped the occasional like on one of your posts, but this childish behavior just drops you into the category of non value added poster.
you can't rebuild around him in phase 2 because you just traded away draft picks until 2031 and the majority of his supporting cast to get Giannis. So the earliest pick you could trade is 2032 to make another move and you are stuck like the Bucks are right now. That's exactly why you don't trade for Giannis. It ain't rocket science.
No you can't because you just traded away everything. What the do you want to trade after you got Giannis and don't have any picks to move? Do you think 2nd round picks will get you role players? Maybe just look up how trades actually work. We are not OKC and have 300 picks from other teams.
Or Phase 2 might resemble what Milwaukee is facing today. A single superstar, and no capital to build with. And we're all arguing over the best 50cents on the dollar deal for Wemby.
Reading Celtics fans say they don't really want the 28th pick and the guaranteed contract, so that could definitely be up for grabs to the team who helps them dump some salary.
I'm willing to take a flier on Tingus if they give us #28. Shut him down to start the year... he comes back in January and maybe looks good enough to flip at the deadline or you keep him for your own playoff push.
you play too much 2K. Those 3 players don't win you anything without good role players. And if you get Giannis that means you need to have shooters everywhere, otherwise teams can wall him up.
Fox/Castle/Barnes/Giannis/Wemby is already questionable if Castle can't hit 3s consistently at a good percentage. Then your bench is Champagnie and a bunch of G-Leaguers. OKC would wipe the floor with that team.
Victor has never played in a playoff game. I don't know if the Spurs with Giannis would get there in year one. It usually takes teams a few tries to break through, but not much room to do it if you trade for Giannis.
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