Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[Kawhitstorm]

Did you just compare Monte Ellis to Tony Parker??

What a terrible take

Monta Ellis in his PRIME was MUCH BETTER than 2016 Porker, even in 2014 there was little difference.

[Chinook]

Simmons might get 5 deflection & commit 10 turnovers.

Had PATFO picked up Gary Payton II they would have been able to cause havoc w/ Danny/Kawhi/Kyle but alas Porker/Patty are two of the worst at getting deflections.

The Celtics would give 'em w/ Bradley/Smart/Jaylen Brown/Crowder/Horford.

I do hope Pop doesn't believe that Simmons is a good defender. Never seen a dude struggle so hard to keep slower guys in front of him. Improving in that area would help -- especially with a three-and-D guy. But I don't know who could be had. Maybe KJ? Was he even a good defender anyway?

[objective]

If Murray is official, his deal is probably at the 120%, which shaves the cap room down slightly

[Chinook]

I think we'll have news soon. Basically, now Diaw is gone, Gasol is official, Murray is official, the rest of the dominos should fall...

I doubt Gasol is official. The only way the team could fit him in right now would be to renounce Manu, and I don't think they do that. It's not just about paying Ginobili, either. That hold allows them to keep RoFR on Boban. I think Diaw and maybe Murray are the only official things.

[GSH]

... Murray is official

When did that happen? Or are you just saying because he said he was playing Thursday night?

[ElNono]

I doubt Gasol is official. The only way the team could fit him in right now would be to renounce Manu, and I don't think they do that. It's not just about paying Ginobili, either. That hold allows them to keep RoFR on Boban. I think Diaw and maybe Murray are the only official things.

What makes me believe it's official is that Pau didn't announce the move to the Spurs in his twitter until after the Spurs traded Boris, even though his decision was well known before then.

I suspect PATFO is just looking around and waiting out a bit to see if they can make a deal or two before basically inking everybody.

[Kawhitstorm]

I doubt Gasol is official. The only way the team could fit him in right now would be to renounce Manu, and I don't think they do that. It's not just about paying Ginobili, either. That hold allows them to keep RoFR on Boban. I think Diaw and maybe Murray are the only official things.

Team are waiting for the dust to settle before they make Boban any offers but dude is as good as gone considering Hibbert got 5 mill.

[ElNono]

When did that happen? Or are you just saying because he said he was playing Thursday night?

Basically. What I heard is that his agent wouldn't let him play without a deal signed. So if he's playing, I assume he's signed up (unless there's been a change of heart from his agent).

[SAGirl]

Simmons might get 5 deflection & commit 10 turnovers.

Had PATFO picked up Gary Payton II they would have been able to cause havoc w/ Danny/Kawhi/Kyle but alas Porker/Patty are two of the worst at getting deflections.

The Celtics would give 'em w/ Bradley/Smart/Jaylen Brown/Crowder/Horford.

I am with you. Maybe a defensive type can be picked up midseason.
Of anything else this season, I am hoping that 3 ball from Kyle holds up.
I am going to have to add it to my avatar... keep shooting Kyle.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Monta Ellis in his PRIME was MUCH BETTER than 2016 Porker, even in 2014 there was little difference.

[Chinook]

Team are waiting for the dust to settle before they make Boban any offers but dude is as good as gone considering Hibbert got 5 mill.

I think the Spurs are going to have to face the realities of the market. Boban may get something like $32M/4, and that's not horrible for the team to match. I don't love the idea of committing to him long term yet, but he is who he is. Can't afford to have no backup center.

[Chinook]

Basically. What I heard is that his agent wouldn't let him play without a deal signed. So if he's playing, I assume he's signed up (unless there's been a change of heart from his agent).

I don't think he's signed yet, either. We'd have that tweet. I think the team has a deadline to get things done. Right now, Tim is holding them up something major. I feel they are planning on moving on, but they don't want to actually do anything about it. They should just go ahead and make the call.

[SAGirl]

Simmons might get 5 deflection & commit 10 turnovers.

Had PATFO picked up Gary Payton II they would have been able to cause havoc w/ Danny/Kawhi/Kyle but alas Porker/Patty are two of the worst at getting deflections.

The Celtics would give 'em w/ Bradley/Smart/Jaylen Brown/Crowder/Horford.

JSimms might foul out trying to get the deflections... ah had to poke fun at him.

[ElNono]

I don't think he's signed yet, either. We'd have that tweet. I think the team has a deadline to get things done. Right now, Tim is holding them up something major. I feel they are planning on moving on, but they don't want to actually do anything about it. They should just go ahead and make the call.

Maybe I should clarify, by official, I mean it's pretty clear that Gasol and Murray will sign when inking time comes. And, as you said, I don't think the Spurs will drag this out too long now.

[SAGirl]

I do hope Pop doesn't believe that Simmons is a good defender. Never seen a dude struggle so hard to keep slower guys in front of him. Improving in that area would help -- especially with a three-and-D guy. But I don't know who could be had. Maybe KJ? Was he even a good defender anyway?

I saw some of KJ in the one game I watched of the Rockets vs GSW series. He was good and they had no system. Specially transition defense absolute beast. No offensive game whatsoever though. Don't know what can be done for JSimms... so much athleticism... maybe he got in this league too late and has bad habits.

[Kawhitstorm]

I do hope Pop doesn't believe that Simmons is a good defender. Never seen a dude struggle so hard to keep slower guys in front of him. Improving in that area would help -- especially with a three-and-D guy. But I don't know who could be had. Maybe KJ? Was he even a good defender anyway?

KJ is actually similar to Danny, he is GREAT on the ball & weakside/transition defense but he gets lost off the ball.

[Kawhitstorm]

I think the Spurs are going to have to face the realities of the market. Boban may get something like $32M/4, and that's not horrible for the team to match. I don't love the idea of committing to him long term yet, but he is who he is. Can't afford to have no backup center.

I heard Larry Sanders was planning a come back b/c he's running out of weed money.

In any case, PATFO are probably pleading with Tim b/c they don't want to commit that type of money on a backup. If Tim retires, they will probably try to sign some washed up vet like Amar'e for the vet min.

I'm hoping they can get Willie Reed for the RE:

[GSH]

Maybe I should clarify, by official, I mean it's pretty clear that Gasol and Murray will sign when inking time comes. And, as you said, I don't think the Spurs will drag this out too long now.

I wasn't trying to be a horse's ass. I thought maybe there had been some news that I had missed. I'm hoping tomorrow really will clear a lot of this up.

I do hope Pop doesn't believe that Simmons is a good defender. Never seen a dude struggle so hard to keep slower guys in front of him. Improving in that area would help -- especially with a three-and-D guy. But I don't know who could be had. Maybe KJ? Was he even a good defender anyway?

I haven't seen him yet this summer. You don't think he'll be good enough defensively to cover the kind of guys he'll be facing most of the time? I guess you should always plan for what happens if a guys goes down, and he has to be moved up. But I was hoping that he would have benefitted from a year in the Spurs' system - at least enough that he would be better than you're talking. It's always tough for me to be objective, when it's a guy I like.

[Chinook]

I haven't seen him yet this summer. You don't think he'll be good enough defensively to cover the kind of guys he'll be facing most of the time? I guess you should always plan for what happens if a guys goes down, and he has to be moved up. But I was hoping that he would have benefitted from a year in the Spurs' system - at least enough that he would be better than you're talking. It's always tough for me to be objective, when it's a guy I like.

I don't think he's very good at all. He's definitely worse than the top-four wings (counting Anderson as a wing still for the time being). Now, if Anderson moves to the four like I'm assuming he will, Simmons is the likely play at the backup SF position. With Manu being old and Mills being Mills, Simmons is the designated top perimeter defender. I'm not very confident in him in that role. I don't know who would be better that's attainable, though.

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't think he's very good at all. He's definitely worse than the top-four wings (counting Anderson as a wing still for the time being). Now, if Anderson moves to the four like I'm assuming he will, Simmons is the likely play at the backup SF position. With Manu being old and Mills being Mills, Simmons is the designated top perimeter defender. I'm not very confident in him in that role. I don't know who would be better that's attainable, though.

LJC can guard wings, dude is useless besides his defense ala Moute.

[Joseph Kony]

I heard Larry Sanders was planning a come back b/c he's running out of weed money.

In any case, PATFO are probably pleading with Tim b/c they don't want to commit that type of money on a backup. If Tim retires, they will probably try to sign some washed up vet like Amar'e for the vet min.

I'm hoping they can get Willie Reed for the RE:

At least they're looking at some of the players we hoped for

[Chinook]

LJC can guard wings, dude is useless besides his defense ala Moute.

Yes, he can. Just worried about how he'd fit into the offense right now.

[Nathan89]

KA is most likely to be the pf. Pretty crazy that he's the first "big" off the bench. I really wish we had a better pg to maximize that smallball lineup.

Also Simmons isn't going to be good enough to play the sf minutes. Either a move will have to be made or Bertans better be ready.

[Kawhitstorm]

Monta Ellis has had a MUCH better VORP than Porker the past THREE season.

2013-14: http://bkref.com/tiny/WINVW

2014-15: http://bkref.com/tiny/OId4n

2015-16: http://bkref.com/tiny/6rPHV

[Nathan89]

I hope Spurs have other plans than signing Boban to fill the backup C spot. Can't be wasting money for a guy that isn't of any use vs the best team.