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    Torture is against US law.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2340

    US treaties are also law of the land.

    The United States is a party to the following conventions (international treaties) that prohibits torture, such as the 1949 Geneva Conventions (signed 1949; ratified 1955), the American Convention on Human Rights(signed 1977), the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (signed 1977; ratified 1992), and the United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (signed 1988; ratified 1994).

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    the US Army Field Manuals forbid it:

    In late 2006, the military issued updated U.S. Army Field Manuals on intelligence collection (FM 2-22.3. Human Intelligence Collector Operations, September 2006) and counterinsurgency (FM 3-24. Counterinsurgency, December 2006). Both manuals reiterated that "no person in the custody or under the control of DOD, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment, in accordance with and as defined in U.S. law."[10] Specific techniques prohibited in the intelligence collection manual include:

    • Forcing the detainee to be naked, perform sexual acts, or pose in a sexual manner;
    • Hooding, that is, placing hoods or sacks over the head of a detainee; using duct tape over the eyes;
    • Applying beatings, electric shock, burns, or other forms of physical pain;
    • Waterboarding;
    • Using military working dogs;
    • Inducing hypothermia or heat injury;
    • Conducting mock executions;
    • Depriving the detainee of necessary food, water, or medical care.[11]

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    people are against torture towards our foes/terrorists? lmao! them all and you pansy's too!
    the US Army disagrees with you

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    the US Army disagrees with you
    idgaf

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    Torture is against US law.
    so is a clandestine server and broken evidence but whatever, right?

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    "Torture bad! Fire bad!!!"

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    "Torture bad! Fire bad!!!"
    torture is only good if it's death by drones and only when a hipster black president does it.

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    torture is only good if it's death by drones and only when a hipster black president does it.
    Water boarding is highly effective in the field. Democrats live in a fantasy world. In the real world hard people have to do hard things. Left is SOFT AF.

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    Water boarding is highly effective in the field. Democrats live in a fantasy world. In the real world hard people have to do hard things. Left is SOFT AF.
    What is your evidence it is highly effective in the field?

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    Should have just killed the assholes instead of capturing them. That was clearly the humane thing to do.

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    Should have just killed the assholes instead of capturing them. That was clearly the humane thing to do.
    GWB let 2/3 of them go because we had no good basis to detain them in the first place and no good reason to keep them.

    You think we should have killed all the people GWB and Obama released, instead of releasing them?

    Damn if you ain't a piece of work.

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    so is a clandestine server and broken evidence but whatever, right?
    that investigation is ongoing as far as I know.

    but Obama slammed the courtroom door shut on torture by US officers.

    big difference.

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    Should have just killed the assholes instead of capturing them. That was clearly the humane thing to do.
    Just shouldn't have tortured them. Then we might have been able to really put them on trial.

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    Just shouldn't have tortured them. Then we might have been able to really put them on trial.
    Pavlov's bleeding heart for terrorists

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    Pavlov's bleeding heart for terrorists
    My respect for the rule of law.

    Something you clearly lack.

    lol

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    My respect for the rule of law.

    Something you clearly lack.

    lol
    It was legal when she was doing it.

    lol

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    She's just wishy washy. Pretty disappointing tbh.

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    Feinstein got her bony ass handed to her.


    "No, that's not accurate."

    "Let me read you the part from the book."

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    If torture is effective then I wouldn't hesitate to do it to a terrorist tbh. The parroted talking point seems to be that it is not effective. If that's accurate then obviously torture would be useless.

    I read some post earlier from some UK saying he rather not torture even if the result was less safety. that.

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    If torture was so great they would've kept the tapes of the torture sessions.

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    "No, that's not accurate."

    "Let me read you the part from the book."

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    If torture is effective then I wouldn't hesitate to do it to a terrorist tbh. The parroted talking point seems to be that it is not effective. If that's accurate then obviously torture would be useless.

    I read some post earlier from some UK saying he rather not torture even if the result was less safety. that.
    Arguendo, we claim to know better and thus act better than the terrorists themselves. Especially since 'terrorist' is a fairly elastic term.

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    Just shouldn't have tortured them. Then we might have been able to really put them on trial.
    I agree with this. Military commissions didn't work.

    The criminal law track still works.

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    It was legal when she was doing it.

    lol
    If the application of putatively legal torture methods would have tended to prove their efficacy, as you suggest, why did Haspel and Gonzalez destroy the evidence of their good work?

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