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    Millennial Messiah UNT Eagles 2016's Avatar
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    Blah blah, you’ll talk yourself into voting (R), whoever it is
    If Kennedy [I] is on the ballot and Trump isn't.... I'd sure be tempted to vote third party, but it seems like such a dump vote like voting for Ross Perot. In a critical swing state you vote for one of the two candidates who could win or else your vote is a dump vote imo. The Muslims in Wayne County MI who hate Biden over 10/7 will
    likely be voting third party for the most part, especially if Haley or Desantis is the GOP candidate, and it's their right to do so just like every other American... but, I'm a practicalist and vote with my best interests in mind.

    I mean I believe Desantis is Bush 3.0 all the way, but I'd probably still end up voting for him over Biden... Haley or Christie, not so much. Haley seems to be gaining big time in the polls and if it is indeed her at the top of the ticket then yes I will vote for Biden and get my friends to do the same.

    I mean, you did a 180 on Trump in like 6 months. Remember you were stanning for [Desantis] not long ago? lmao
    A year ago. He'd just won re-election by 19.7% in an election he won by 0.4% four years prior, in a surprisingly purple national environment despite an unfavorable Biden in bency.

    Trump's Senate picks, specifically Walker and Oz, lost us the Senate, and many of his House picks lost us a ton of winnable seats as well, such as Sarah Palin, John Gibbs, JR Majewski (very winnable seat there with an establishment conservative with money, even in 2024 btw). Trump can't control SCOTUS in 2022 but he could have denounced the Dobbs decision instead of bragging about how it was his doing. Either way, repealing Roe was an anathema to the general public.

    But then Desantis doubled down and made himself clearly the anti-choice candidate with the 6-week abortion ban in Florida which is draconian. Then he started public speaking and making an ass out of himself. His campaign fell flat. He did do surprisingly well and won the debate against Newsom, but that was moderated by Hannity so there's an asterisk there. For the most part he's come off as milquetoast, robotic, and unpresidential. Nobody with a brain cares about his height, he's just been a lousier candidate than we all expected and Trump has come roaring back. The indictments and attempts to remove Trump from the ballots have done nothing but portray to the general public and independents that the Democrats are hypocritical on the democracy issue. If there's one thing the American general public hates it's censorship and silencing of free speech, freedom of press, and voting freedom, regardless of which side does it.
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    She knows that she wont be the nominee. This is a play to ultimately be the 2nd female VP, imo.
    Trump could die or become unelectable. He's sundowning like his opponent. Also, Trump's verbal expression is more scrambled and his emotional regulation is completely unhinged.

    Haley's chances aren't great, but they're not zero either.

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    In 1923, the Supreme Court decided in United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind that while Indians were classified as Caucasians by anthropologists, people of Indian descent were not white by common American definition, and thus not eligible to citizenship.


    In 1975, the federal government convened an interagency committee to "(1) coordinate development of common definitions for racial and ethnic groups; (2) instruct the Federal agencies to collect racial and ethnic enrollment and other educational data on a compatible and nonduplicative basis." Although the report that spurred the existence of the committee had focused on the lack of uniform definitions of Chicanos, Puerto Ricans, and American Indians, the committee decided that it would make recommendations for racial and ethnic categorizations for the entire American population.

    The groups and definitions recommended by the committee form the basis for the groups and definitions we still use today, with one major exception. Here is the committee's recommendation and explanation for the definition of a person in Caucasian/White category:

    A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, or the Indian subcontinent. The major problem associated with this category, as with the "Asian.. –" category (above) was how to deal with persons from the Indian subcontinent. The question at issue was whether to include them in the minority category "Asian…" because they come from Asia and some are victims of discrimination in this country, or to include them in this category because they are Caucasians, though frequently of darker skin than other Caucasians. The final decision favored the latter. While evidence of discrimination against Asian Indians exists, it appears to be concentrated in specific geographical and occupational areas. Such persons can be identified in these areas through the use of a subcategory for their ethnic subgroup.

    A Indian-American newspaper described what happened next:

    In January 1976 … board members of the Association of Indians in America (AIA) and their legal counsel met with the Federal Interagency Committee's representatives in Washington D.C. with the purpose of effecting a change in the Indian classification from the "White" category into the "Asian or Pacific Islander" category. Dr. Manoranjan Dutta, president of the AIA, said that his organization began its campaign for the reclassification in the wake of numerous complaints by Indians of alleged discrimination. According to Dr. Dutta, Indians were not getting equal opportunity in jobs, for example, and any discrimination which they faced was being covered up under the guise of their "White" classification—a sort of "hidden" discrimination. Only if they were classified in the "correct" category of "Asian" could they seek immediate legal redress in cases of discrimination. Furthermore, the Asian category appeared to be more appropriate due to geographical reasons—India is a part of Asia.

    In August 1976, a review of the five categories was indeed made, and the Federal Interagency Committee agreed by consensus to move the Indian immigrants from the "White" category to the "Asian and Pacific Islander" category… Dr. Dutta announced later in November of 1976 the finalization of the classification change to the Indian media, but it tended to be largely ignored by the American press.

    Interestingly, "another group of Indians, who disagreed with this change, and who preferred that Indians be classified as 'White' in this context, later approached Hall's office to lobby for a return to the 'status quo,' but the effort was in vain, as the group had no data to back up their cause."

    The final rule, promulgated by the Office of Management and Budget, did place Indians in the "Asian" category, where they have remained ever since.


    The reason that they were put in the white category to begin with has been lost to history, beyond what the report quoted above said. I suspect that part of the issue was that the category used previously for "Asian" was "Oriental," by which people typically meant those from East Asia. Given that the largest relevant groups in the U.S. by far were Chinese, Japanese, and Filipinos, with very few Indians in the U.S. at the time, the committee was likely still used to separating East Asian "Orientals" from others.

    In any event, that's how Asian Indians, who had been deemed non-white by the Supreme Court in the days of the Asian Exclusion Act in the 1920s, almost became white in the 1970s.
    https://reason.com/volokh/2020/06/18...-became-white/





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