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    the options are not only 2 extremes “open” or “keep closed”

    wake up

    people can conduct most business and live close to a decent life if they adjust their lifestyles to the virus

    masks, social distance, very few grouped people

    adjust to the virus or die

    those are the real options

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    looks like Uncle Sam is not treating this crisis lightly as they have activated task force to evacuate Washingyon Dc area

    https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-w...box=1587045954

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    life is not going back to normal

    the sooner americans realize this the better. some will never realize this and will live a very slow painful death

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    The man-made Trump Pandemic and its 45K+ deaths, 25M+ jobless, is still not bad enough for Trash's cult mob to abandon him.

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    States that helped Trump win see biggest job losses

    One of the only major battlegrounds seeing a lower claims rate than the national average is Wisconsin,

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/states-that-helped-trump-win-see-biggest-job-losses-204072

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    You were so certain about your "false dilemma" objection but have stammered in your responses and now you're off the road.

    It should be easy to point out the other options but you chose UBI and partial opening.. then you said "reclosing".

    Opening and closing. Two choices. UBI is only a payment.
    It's not a one or the other proposition -- you proposed a false fork.

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    The man-made Trump Pandemic and its 45K+ deaths, 25M+ jobless, is still not bad enough for Trash's cult mob to abandon him.
    We're about to hit 50,000 Trump victims, probably today.

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    We're about to hit 50,000 Trump victims, probably today.
    Wasn't that 60k prediction by the Trump models supposed to be end of August?

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    Wasn't that 60k prediction by the Trump models supposed to be end of August?
    Knew Trump was going to open the country without testing as soon as Fauci said 60,000.

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    Knew Trump was going to open the country without testing as soon as Fauci said 60,000.
    All I know is the bleed out of this thing is ugly. US infected backlog means it could last months. Look at Italy's e on March 27 and look where they are now. We're looking at minimum of next 3 weeks with ~1.5k/day deaths and who knows how long it will take to get it out of the system with 30k new infections a day with a 2-10 week period of recovery. is looking brutal.

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    It's not a one or the other proposition -- you proposed a false fork.
    You either are for reopening, whatever the rate, or you are not which is a zero reopening rate.

    Open or close

    There's your fork.

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    All I know is the bleed out of this thing is ugly. US infected backlog means it could last months. Look at Italy's e on March 27 and look where they are now. We're looking at minimum of next 3 weeks with ~1.5k/day deaths and who knows how long it will take to get it out of the system with 30k new infections a day with a 2-10 week period of recovery. is looking brutal.
    And then we get to start over again May 1st.

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    the options are not only 2 extremes “open” or “keep closed”

    wake up

    people can conduct most business and live close to a decent life if they adjust their lifestyles to the virus
    So leave it as it is now?
    masks, social distance, very few grouped people
    So reopen?
    adjust to the virus or die

    those are the real options
    Everything you mentioned includes opening or remaining closed.

    The methods and caveats do not create other options. The Spurminator throws out UBI which is unrelated.

    you folks have a hard time with facts.

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    looks like Uncle Sam is not treating this crisis lightly as they have activated task force to evacuate Washingyon Dc area

    https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-w...box=1587045954
    You're a ing clown but this we already know.

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    States that helped Trump win see biggest job losses

    One of the only major battlegrounds seeing a lower claims rate than the national average is Wisconsin,

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/states-that-helped-trump-win-see-biggest-job-losses-204072
    But wait, Trump is only helping states that he won, right?

    Another clown.

    November isn't going away, boots. Strap yourself in and load your bull article and takes magazine and set to full auto.

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    All I know is the bleed out of this thing is ugly. US infected backlog means it could last months. Look at Italy's e on March 27 and look where they are now. We're looking at minimum of next 3 weeks with ~1.5k/day deaths and who knows how long it will take to get it out of the system with 30k new infections a day with a 2-10 week period of recovery. is looking brutal.
    Given that Trump Death Cult governors like in Texas want to rush into opening... Ima guess that the figures flatten out as some areas scale back, and others flare up. Kind of inexorable.

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    Given that Trump Death Cult governors like in Texas want to rush into opening... Ima guess that the figures flatten out as some areas scale back, and others flare up. Kind of inexorable.
    ing gyms opening. Where people are breathing hard on the treadmill, the stationary bikes, the bench press, etc in closed off buildings. All because Abbott can't stand up to our Dear Leader's ty recommendation.

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    You either are for reopening, whatever the rate, or you are not which is a zero reopening rate.

    Open or close

    There's your fork.
    Yeah, seems you're still unaware of the logical meaning of "or" and the blended nature of reopening.

    No skin off my back if you don't get it.

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    You either are for reopening, whatever the rate, or you are not which is a zero reopening rate.

    Open or close

    There's your fork.
    Open defined as "any state not closed"

    Closed being 100% closed.

    "it's either open or closed" hur dee ing dur.

    No-take McGurk goes for the ultimate no-take Captain Obvious observation.

    Don't strain yourself-geenyus.

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    Yeah, seems you're still unaware of the logical meaning of "or" and the blended nature of reopening.

    No skin off my back if you don't get it.
    Open = not closed.

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    Doesn't matter. Choose A or B.

    A) Reopen economy
    B) Keep it closed for Covid

    If you're gong to about jobs, then about someone wanting to reopen economy, you're just wanting to .
    You say "false dilemma" then give reopening as one of the options.

    So what's the other options besides reopening and not reopening?
    Ireopening is a hybrid process that partakes of lockdown and social distancing.
    And here's the walkback:

    Phases of closing, phases of opening. Technically the economy is always partially open ergo always partially closed, but you're still tap dancing trying to find another option.

    Open economy
    Close economy

    Doing either in stages doesn't change the fact they are still the two choices.
    Your original statement didn't allow for any anything outside of the binary choice. You got called on it, realized that you misspoke and attempted to gaslight WH into thinking you meant what you didn't actually say all along.

    All the while, saying -all nothing, per par. "open or closed, hurr dee dur"

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    Open defined as "any state not closed"

    Closed being 100% closed.

    "it's either open or closed" hur dee ing dur.

    No-take McGurk goes for the ultimate no-take Captain Obvious observation.

    Don't strain yourself-geenyus.
    If you think we are closed now even though many are still working, you've already set the conditions so by saying "reopen" you've basically done that. If you want to stand pat how we are now, then you're accepting the fallout from it (job loss). If you think we should find ways to reopen economy, masks, gloves, ing class 1 pos pressure suits, etc... then you're for reopening.

    This distraction about gradient is just that, a distraction. You're playing semantics now.

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    And here's the walkback:



    Your original statement didn't allow for any anything outside of the binary choice. You got called on it, realized that you misspoke and attempted to gaslight WH into thinking you meant what you didn't actually say all along.

    All the while, saying -all nothing, per par. "open or closed, hurr dee dur"
    In that case we cannot reopen since we've never closed.

    See how ing stupid I can easily reveal you to be?

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    Given that Trump Death Cult governors like in Texas want to rush into opening... Ima guess that the figures flatten out as some areas scale back, and others flare up. Kind of inexorable.
    Texas 600 or so deaths

    NY with Cuomo, 20,000+ deaths


    Yeah death cult for sure.

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    If you think we are closed now even though many are still working, you've already set the conditions so by saying "reopen" you've basically done that. If you want to stand pat how we are now, then you're accepting the fallout from it (job loss). If you think we should find ways to reopen economy, masks, gloves, ing class 1 pos pressure suits, etc... then you're for reopening.

    This distraction about gradient is just that, a distraction. You're playing semantics now.
    We will eventually have to be opened more than we are now. Job losses will come from re-opening just as sure as from staying shut, with some indication that rapid reopening would be worse for the economy than staying closed a while longer.

    In attempting to walk back from your first false dilemma

    A) Reopen economy
    B) Keep it closed for Covid
    You introduce a second one with a buried assumption for which you have no evidence:

    Closed = job losses
    fully open = no job losses

    How have you excluded the possibility that:

    Closed = job losses
    fully open = more job losses than closed

    ?????

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