IRAQ if jacked, what do we do?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's hilarious how right-wingers say "dubya has to stay in Iraq to prevent a bloodbath".

Since when did jingoistic right-wingers start giving a about brown/Arab/Muslim blood, other than when it suits their pro-oil rhetoric?

dubya has already caused a huge (civilian) bloodbath in Iraq, 100s of 1000s of Iraqis slaughtered as a direct result of dubya's "liberation", plus 5M Iraqi refugees, ethnic cleansing, etc, etc. None of which the pro-warriors have any objection to.

Hundreds of thousands? Link please.

And let's not pretend that thousands weren't killed before we went in by Saddam...

ing read a history book some time, emo.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm not a traitor and wouldn't sell out my president, but I think my president should be a patriot and sacrifice himself for the good of the country. However, if he doesn't I'm surely am not going to try to force it.

When have we ever sacrificed a president over international affairs? That's an awfully dangerous precedent you're setting.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Everything is so stable in Iraq, that if the US leaves tomorrow, there will be a major genocide along with a country wide civil war. Plus, as violence diminishes in Iraq, it grows in Afghanistan. Ofcourse, we're too stretched already to have sizeable forces in both places.
So, this is progress?

Newsflash: people in that part of the world have been committing genocide since the establishment of their religion. The only time they have stopped killing each other in the 1400 years of their existence is to fight wars with outsiders and conquer Europe.

When we leave, they will go back to killing each other again. History will repeat itself whether we pull out tomorrow, next month, or 50 years from now.

I'd just as soon see our boys come home and get them out of the line of fire (and quit throwing money down the drain).

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"there will be a major genocide along with a country wide civil war."

That's just Repug fear-mongering, the same Repug who demonstrably got gotten all their fabricated "facts" and predictions WRONG about IRAQ.

We are now supposed to believe the "civil-war-when-US-leaves" prediction, as justification and smoke-screen for multi-decade occupation until the oil is stolen.

Hey dumbass, the Sunnis and Shi'ia have been killing each other for the entirety of their religion's existence. 1400 years. So it's not a stretch to say they're going to resume killing each other the moment we leave, it's not propaganda, it's called learning from history.

Damn you are dumb.

[ElNono]

Newsflash: people in that part of the world have been committing genocide since the establishment of their religion. The only time they have stopped killing each other in the 1400 years of their existence is to fight wars with outsiders and conquer Europe.

When we leave, they will go back to killing each other again. History will repeat itself whether we pull out tomorrow, next month, or 50 years from now.

I'd just as soon see our boys come home and get them out of the line of fire (and quit throwing money down the drain).

Completely agree. Please relay the message to PEP over here.

[boutons_]

Aggie, so whether the US stays or goes, the Iraqis are going to slaughter themselves.

Conclusion: we must go, and ASAP, which probably means 2 years to complee, but get started ASAP.

And I see Aggie's solution is where?

USA won't leave Iraq. The oilcos make foreign policy, not the federal government.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Aggie, so whether the US stays or goes, the Iraqis are going to slaughter themselves.

Conclusion: we must go, and ASAP, which probably means 2 years to complee, but get started ASAP.

And I see Aggie's solution is where?

USA won't leave Iraq. The oilcos make foreign policy, not the federal government.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? We need to bring our troops home. Do whatever it takes to do so safely (not the firesale withdrawal that Obama has proposed).

You are talking about tribal feuds and religious feuds. People over there have a long memory. Whether they have to wait two months or 50 years, they'll be waiting for the first chance for payback they can get.

Our leaders at this point are on the hook morally for whatever happens, which sucks, but the right decision is still to leave. The people over there were grateful to get rid of Saddam, but now we've been there as long as we have they are growing tired of us.

Iraq already has a strong leader in its midst - al Sadr. His allegiance with al-Sistani is what is going to bring what level of stability they can have to that country. Yeah, there's going to be some scores settled in the process, but those two are that country's best hope for stability.

Until then, the Iraqis will be more than happy to let us do the majority of the heavy lifting WRT the security in that country. It's ingrained in their culture (Muslim culture in general) to act in such a manner.

And if you really want to get into culture, about the worst thing that could happen for us in that part of the world is have Obama get elected and push Madellaine Albright into the Sec. of State position.

Muslims look down on blacks, and the only thing they look down on blacks more than is women. Disclaimer for the reading comprehension impaired: this is not a scare tactic by a conservative, I'm stating a fact based on the Muslim culture. They view women as property and blacks as slaves.

One of the things that pissed me off most about Bush's handling of the Mideast was to have Colin Powell involved and then come over the top of that by sending Condi Rice over there to try and smooth out the Israeli-Palestinian situation. Probably two of his more boneheaded moves with respect to Middle East foreign policy.

[ElNono]

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? We need to bring our troops home. Do whatever it takes to do so safely (not the firesale withdrawal that Obama has proposed).

Just going to comment on this... what difference does it make if Obama wants to get out of there in 16 months or whatever? Just like you said earlier, those nutjobs are gonna be killing each other anyways. What does withdrawing 'safely' entails? 100 years, like McCain said?