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of course i am not comparing bynum to those two players.
but you would take the high flying big man over a post big?
let's see what Bynum does next year assuming he can play more than 30 games.
Laker fans blowing their chodes over 13/10 a night
His low post expertise has put him at the same level as Chris Kaman!
of course i am not comparing bynum to those two players.
but you would take the high flying big man over a post big?
Howard doesn't get the offense run through him more because he isn't capable of consistently scoring in the low post by creating his own offense. His scoring is still primarily offensive rebound putbacks, seal off alley oops, and free throws. Shaq has had chuckers on his teams before and at a similar age was putting up 28-29 ppg. Howard had no real power forward playing alongside him and no legit scoring threat from the 2-guard this past season. And, Jameer Nelson was pretty inconsistent. If Howard is your horse, you'd expect him to put up 25+ ppg. But, he can't because his offense in the low post is not good enough to consistently post him up. That's why they have to use a lot of alley oops to get his scoring up.
i'll take a post big who can stay healthy and chip in more than 13 points a night.
otherwise i'll take the high flyer who can put in 20 a night doing cleanup.
let's see what Bynum does next year assuming he can play more than 30 games.
Laker fans blowing their chodes over 13/10 a night
His low post expertise has put him at the same level as Chris Kaman!
13/10 in 29 minutes a game and on 63.6% shooting from the field.
Chris Kaman is actually a pretty good low post player. Dwight Howard is not at the level of Chris Kaman offensively. So, you're actually supporting the point that Bynum is offensively better than Howard.
He's better at scoring in the low post.
He's not better offensively. 20>13 last time I checked.
i thought you actually had smart things to say.
at the beginning of the season, his stats were not so good.
he caught on around december, before getting hurt in January, we were the #1 rebounding team in the NBA.
he can shot block and rebound just as good as Dwight, but has more of a presence in the low post, but you are just gonna say something useless or add a "" to make it seem smart.
might wanna check those stats out some time.
seriously, Laker Fan, if you wanna jerk it to 35 games played and 13/10 a night, be my guest.
"he was getting really good right before he got hurt again!"
Last edited by monosylab1k; 07-23-2008 at 11:41 AM. Reason: turns out Iron Man Bynum played in 35 games this year, not 39. I overestimated his awesomeness.
Are you going to tell me that Corey Maggette is a better offensive player than Paul Pierce because he averaged more points last season?
Of course he is.(sarcasm)
i mean, i bet i could make that case and say "shaq's stats are better than duncan's so i say Shaq>>>>>>>Duncan", but i would just get flamed up the ass.
it's from a haters standpoint.
I guess if PP averaged 7 fewer points and his most frequent contributions during the season were clapping in a suit at the end of the bench, I might be inclined to, yes.
actually I've been a big Bynum supporter on this site. Look it up.
I just see the stupidity in putting him anywhere near the same level as Dwight Howard. He's nowhere close, and he's never been anywhere close.
He's got the potential to be somewhat close, and that doesn't mean .
what, dude dwight got shut down by the pistons almost completely in the playoff. Amare averages 30+ points against duncan.
You talk as if Bynum played in like 4 games all season long. He played in 35 games. Enough games to get a pretty good gauge on what he's capable of doing.
And, he averaged 28.8 minutes per game. Dwight Howard averaged 37.7 minutes per game.
Stats of the two players:
Dwight Howard
20.7 ppg
14.2 rpg
2.15 bpg
59.9 FG%
37.7 mpg
Andrew Bynum
13.1 ppg
10.2 rpg
2.06 bpg
63.6 FG%
28.8 mpg
If Andrew Bynum played the same amount of minutes as Dwight Howard, his stats would be:
17.1 ppg
13.4 rpg
2.7 bpg
He's not better than Dwight Howard. But to say he's not close is naively inaccurate.
Another reason Dwight is far superior - conditioning.
What makes you think Bynum was capable of averaging the minutes Howard averages?
How can you definitively say that 9 more minutes of Bynum huffing & puffing down the court will definitely equal 4 more points & 3 more rebounds or whatever?
Conditioning had been a problem of Yao's previously, this year he played more minutes per game than ever, and most of his stats hovered in the same area or even dropped.
Giving Bynum 9 more minutes might just mean the other team has an advantage because he's so fatigued.
Now you're reaching. His conditioning already improved in light years last season. Especially with Turiaf going to the Warriors, Bynum will likely log around 35 mpg this upcoming season. His conditioning doesn't change his offensive skills.
The whole point is that he's close to the level Dwight Howard is and has better offensive skills.
No he isn't, and no he doesn't. He has better low post skills. That's it.
I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.
Well, no offense, but it's asinine to state that Bynum is close to Howard at this point in time. This whole opinion is based on 35 measley games, and he wasn't all that good his first two seasons in the league. Let him prove himself over the course of a season before you go proclaiming him to be near the level of a 22 year old kid who just put up 21 and 14.
35 measly games? They were 35 games in which the Lakers were 24-11 and were right there at the top of the Western Conference. They weren't measly or meaningless games. 35 games is enough games to gauge a player. He shot 64% from the field. He averaged over 10 rebounds a game in under 30 minutes a game. That's not a fluke. 35 games is not a fluke. 3 or 4 games is a fluke. 35 games is nearly half a season.
The kid showed enough for enough games to give every indication that he's going to be one of the best big men in the upcoming years.
I didn't say he was better than Dwight Howard. Didn't say he was at the same level. He's still got plenty of room for improvement. But, he's not far behind. And, he's much closer than you'd like to admit.
re: Thunderstix's sig.
Thank him for what? For ing up everything he touches?
Than I'd like to admit? I'm not a Howard shill like most. He's still got a ton of work to do on his game and is overrated by many. That said, he's a lot better than Bynum RIGHT NOW.
FWIW, it helped Bynum that he played with Kobe Bryant, who took a ton of attention away from him. Lewis and Turkoglu are good, but they don't demand the attention that Kobe does. Andrew Bynum may get to, and even surpass (I wouldn't put money on it, though) Howard one day, but at this point in time, he's mearly a promising big guy who put up respectable numbers in 35 games with the league MVP on his team. Except in rare occasions, big men who aren't #1 picks almost never end up being great.
He played like 14 years
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