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    Actually, this is better than the Sokal Affair in some ways, because I really didn't expect anyone to come in and try to "decode" my nonsense.

    I don't think I'll stop laughing until this evening.

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    It was a joke...lighten up, Francis.
    My reply was a joke, too. Somewhere, a French person laughed at it.

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    Congratualtions on your successful pwnage of postmodern philosophy majors...all two dozen of them.

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    Congratualtions on your successful pwnage of postmodern philosophy majors...all two dozen of them.
    Every aspect of the liberal arts is infected with this stuff.

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    My lord, this forum is having its very own miniature Sokal Affair.

    To the uninitiated:

    Sokal postulated that postmodern writing consists either of facile concepts, sophistry, or absolute nonsense couched in big words. This is used by ordinary minds to make them think they are something other than ordinary minds.

    So, Sokal wrote a parody consisting of ridiculous nonsense and submitted it to a postmodern critical journal. It was published.

    I posted a nonsense post near the top of the thread. Well, sort of nonsense. The words themselves mean nothing. It only has metameaning. The writing of postmodern nonsense is a commentary upon the absurdity of liberal psychological "scholarship" which produces results like "conservatives are poopyheads."

    RtD, as if on cue, critiques my nonsense post, thereby confirming my obscurantist point about the absurdity of liberals far better than I ever could.
    Yeah, it might have worked if I had defended either postmodernism or liberalism (i do defend the latter, but no one with an ego smaller than the sun has much appreciation for the former).

    I honestly just got home from work and read your post, read it the same way I would have read the work of a misinformed and self important true believer, and responded in an attempt to dissuade you from further using such bull in the forum--a las the joke may yet be on me, but it only seems to prove that neither of us have much use for this type of bull . That being said, the study in question seems to be psychological not psychoanalytical, so i don't think this applies.

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    Every aspect of the liberal arts is infected with this stuff.
    Nah, most of the new scholars are starting to move away from it, postmodernism has become much more of a nuisance on the academy than a gratifying act of intellectual masturbation (which is what it always was)

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    WHEEEE!

    This thread oughta be interesting.
    I wuz right.

    After reading a few of the subsequent exchanges, I must give this bizarre thread a solid TU for randomness and absurdity.

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    Why do people have to over-psychologize the difference between conservative and liberal?

    We don't even really drill the positions back to first principles anyway. These days it's just the Blue Team and the Red Team. Here, basically if you have cultural attributes A, B, and C you belong on one team, while if you have attributes D, E, and F you go on the other. If you have a discordant attribute, you suppress it for the good of the team.

    The same people run both teams.

    So, research that purports to show how one team has cooties is basically the scholarly equivalent of saying "Lakers suck!"

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    This is why there are more critiques of Jacques Derrida by contemporary postmodern scholars than any other post structuralist thinker--really all the great post strucutralists fall into the trap of nihlism by this forseen "lack" or the absence of reality they all get off on so much.
    That's because even for subject matter that is usually overly weighty and pedantic, your post was intentionally over the top to the point of being incomprehensible to people that don't have an acquaintance with postmodern jargon.
    Ok, fine if you're just trying to make nonsensical, circular, and masturbatory arguments I'm not going to engage you. I also have no intention of getting into some big Laccanian throw down. That being said, you made a Sacratic contradiction, you're psychoanalysis.

    If Conservatism is inherently patriarchal and phallocentric then liberalism would be inherently matriarchal and vaginal. By inscribing eroticism into liberalism you are making a patriarchal statement (this is why Derrida is re ed, even though he at least makes sense) because you're discursively replicating the political spectrum as an entirely masculine realm.

    And you're statement isn't complete, you currently have if "a", if "b" instead of if "a" then "b" because no justification is given for your claim on eroticism.
    I don't see how these posts are some indictment on me *or makes me look like a* subscriber to idiotic postmodern ideology
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    I don't see how these posts are some indictment on me as a subsriber to idiotic postmodern ideology
    What about that postmodern feminist who concluded that genitalia don't actually exist, but are merely a linguistic construct?

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    Why do people have to over-psychologize the difference between conservative and liberal?

    We don't even really drill the positions back to first principles anyway. These days it's just the Blue Team and the Red Team. Here, basically if you have cultural attributes A, B, and C you belong on one team, while if you have attributes D, E, and F you go on the other. If you have a discordant attribute, you suppress it for the good of the team.

    The same people run both teams.

    So, research that purports to show how one team has cooties is basically the scholarly equivalent of saying "Lakers suck!"
    One of the very rare times I've ever agreed with Jonah Goldberg:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/goldbe...berg072403.asp
    "radical Republicans" "conservative Communist Party officials" and the like.


    ...of course he jumps the shark immediately afterward and writes "Liberal Facism" (Oh Noes! Teh Nazis had organic gardens!)

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    Lakers don't Suck?

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    What about that postmodern feminist who concluded that genitalia don't actually exist, but are merely a linguistic construct?
    I'M NOT A POSTMODERNIST!

    And if you got that impression from reading my posts then you apparently have difficulty noting the difference between a direct critique and a postmodern one
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    What about that postmodern feminist who concluded that genitalia don't actually exist, but are merely a linguistic construct?
    When it comes to postmodernist feminist theory the deconstruction of gendered discourse has become such an essential battle cry, that this kind of bull is actually appreciate by all the brave women rightfully fighting the patriarchy from their cozy office chairs, while sipping their extra caramel mocha latte from Starbucks (they will occasionally take quick breaks in their work to exchange quips with passing faculty members about the absurdity of capitalism and modern American consumerist culture).

    I don't want to sound too dismissive here, because even though postmodernism has gotten out of hand (and clearly my penis isn't a linguistic construction shaped by social conditioning from my parents), there have been significant ideas that came from postmodern feminism as far as understanding the full extent of culture's role in shaping our understanding of sexuality, gender, and sexuality-- but the sad truth is that these people don't believe (and I mean truly believe) half the they write, but they see the articulation of the ridiculous as an act of liberation--some how breaking down imaginary barriers and coming up with unmitigatedly stupid solutions like the dissolution of the state to fight poverty and patriarchy () has some emanicpatory power.

    That's what i think about it.

    Now that being said, mr. stout--anyone as intelligent as you who could vote for republican candidates more than sporadically for the last 30 years is guilty of far worse-- i don't understand how anyone with common sense could vote for republican politicians, just listening to them give interviews (and this goes for bush down to the most insignificant member of congress) it is clear to me that beyond obviously fallacious rhetoric designed to inspire only the lowest common denominator of voter, these people have no genuine self reflectiveness or cognitive skills.

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    Dan calling others kooks
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    Sokal postulated that postmodern writing consists either of facile concepts, sophistry, or absolute nonsense couched in big words.
    So does that means Xray is a postmodern writer?

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    I don't think I'll stop laughing until this evening.
    wow-you need a new sense of humor, cuz your current one is lame.

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    Anyone know where I can find the liberal study proving they act only on misguided emotion, the inability to think long-term, the weakness of having their good intentions exploited, their blindness to see they have a leash on while their elite leaders reap the benefits, their importance to place emphasis on the group rather than the individual b/c they are too weak and know only the strong survive.
    these should get you started:

    http://www.amazon.com/Democrats-Had-...322934&sr=11-1

    http://www.amazon.com/Power-People-L...ref=pd_sim_b_1

    http://www.amazon.com/Liberalism-Men...8323004&sr=1-1

    http://www.amazon.com/Let-Freedom-Ri...8323028&sr=1-1

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