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Did you watch 3 Kobe videos?
You can not write this in my thread.
Yes, I agree this has gone on a little bit too long.
I will finish by saying:
1) Kobe starts dribble, lifts foot...no travel
2) Barry, lifts foot, starts dribble...travel
Did you watch 3 Kobe videos?
You can not write this in my thread.
Let us just look at 1st video. The situation is the same video 2 and 3 to. And you will understand, from my point of view Barry is not realy my problem. And yes he travel in that video too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzrGy...ake-and-pivot/
With some time stamps
Kobe:
1. Kobe catches the ball, both feet start on the ground. (0:20)
2. Kobe drags his right foot back at this time his right foot leaves the ground (0:23)
3. Kobe lifts his right foot again to jab step (0:25)
4. Kobe brings his right foot in to pump fake it is off the ground (0:28)
To this point we do not have a travel
5. Kobe plants his right foot to drive (0:29)
6. Kobes pushes off his left foot (pivot foot), and it leaves the ground - NOW we have a travel as soon as this happens the call should be made (0:30)
7. Kobe dribbles the ball but about one step to late. (0:30)
Without sequence (2.- 5.), there would be no travel of coarse.
See?
Hi Kibic, look at my response to you in post 08-28-2008 11:01 PM. Why do you keep discussing this? Yes, in FIBA it is a travel, in NBA it is NOT a travel.Did you watch 3 Kobe videos?
You can not write this in my thread.
FIBA rules are different than NBA rules.
In NBA, your sequence 1-7, you have #6 and #7 reversed.
6. Kobe dribbles the ball (0:30)
7. Kobes pushes off his left foot (pivot foot), and it leaves the ground - NOW we DON'T have a travel as soon as this happens the call should NOT be made (0:30)
You keep responding to my response to n4th4n, it is not directed to you. You are talking about FIBA rules, I am talking to N4th4n about Brent Barry & Kobe who are both in the NBA so its NBA rules
Last edited by Allanon; 08-30-2008 at 12:10 PM.
It is ok. On Olympics finals there should be a lot of calls for traveling. And now I am going to look and try to find NBA rules. Just to be sure.Hi Kibic, look at my response to you in post 08-28-2008 11:01 PM. Why do you keep discussing this? Yes, in FIBA it is a travel, in NBA it is NOT a travel.
FIBA rules are different than NBA rules.
In NBA, your sequence 1-7, you have #6 and #7 reversed.
6. Kobe dribbles the ball (0:30)
7. Kobes pushes off his left foot (pivot foot), and it leaves the ground - NOW we DON'T have a travel as soon as this happens the call should NOT be made (0:30)
You keep responding to my response to n4th4n, it is not directed to you. You are talking about FIBA rules, I am talking to N4th4n about Brent Barry & Kobe who are both in the NBA so its NBA rules
You've got too much time in your hands if you're using Kobe's instructional videos to discuss traveling. However, until I took a closer look as some Olympic footage, its unbelievable the more liberal interpretation in the NBA. In one sequence Lebron took THREE steps before dribbling the ball, and on a beautiful break away basket, Kobe did get his daily allowance of steps.
Here is the article I found it helpful.
Comparing European and NBA travel calls
August 26, 2008
For some reason, many Europeans - especially Spanish players - complained a lot about the referees not calling the U.S. traveling.
In some way, I really do understand both sides. Traveling in the NBA and the United States is not called the same way as it is called in the Euroleague and Europe. It looks like both sides just do not know better and do not understand why the other is so upset. To defend the US continent, NCAA and FIBA rules are almost the same, while the NBA just has a few minor changes.
During my trip to the U.S. this past summer (yes, summer is almost over!), I followed the US team’s pre-Olympic games as well as the Olympics. Before every game, the commentators talked about the differences between FIBA and NBA rules, such as the size of the court and even the size of the ball, but they never explained the important thing: TRAVELING.
Time to bring some light into the darkness of those made/missing travel calls! (Watch out where you click to start the video - the middle button is advertising. To start the video, click the left corner)
Here are the essentials of FIBA and NBA rules for traveling:
The NBA/WNBA rule is a little more liberal than the current NCAA and FIBA rules when a player is coming to a stop. The NBA/WNBA rule is identical to the pre-1994 FIBA rule; in essence, once you have come to a legal stop, you always have a foot to pivot with. NCAA and current FIBA rules can leave a player without a pivot foot. As well, if you land with a staggered stop (i.e. one foot, then the other, with one foot clearly in front of the other), the back foot is the pivot foot in NBA/WNBA. In NCAA/FIBA, the first foot to touch is the pivot.
Sounds easy right?
Here comes the problem: Why did the referees not make these calls in Beijing? It is obvious that at the Olympics, the teams have to play with FIBA rules, and that TEAM USA HAD to travel just because they are used to different rules. When you play basketball every day, you are not thinking about your steps - you just know them - so Team USA really had to travel, just because they do it - according to FIBA rules, of course - every single day in NBA games.
In case you don’t believe me - just watch this video where we have proof of travel:
We know now, that Team USA did travel at least 5-10 times a game, but the referees did not call it, but would that have changed the outcome of the Olympics? I don’t think so.
Still, why did the referees not make those calls? Any referee in a 5th division team in Europe would have made the calls that you saw in the video. I just hope there wasn’t any “higher” influence.
Of coarse there was.
I understand and accept authors believe USA team has to travel because they are so used to. It is ok.
But I do believe, this single habit, is crucial at penetrating first step quickness.
And I do believe, defender used to read and react at different terms or rules was in a very bad position a lot of times. See it is a habit too.
It is really not the problem. We just have to say what was the "real" rules and not complaining about it every time one is not so successful.
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