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Well Robinson has at least one of those attributes, Rose has neither.
Length isn't important footspeed is when it comes to those two.
Well Robinson has at least one of those attributes, Rose has neither.
Huh?
Also, I neglected to mention lateral movement.
Clarification. I believe you need length and speed to cover those guys. My point...Rose has neither...witness his absence from the court v. Pho. I would rather have someone like Robinson chasing Marion than trying to bring TD away from the basket. Bottom line...Rose is not a make or break player. IMO he is expendable and if you can get a player who fills a very short term specific need to win a championship, you do it.
Rose wasn't absent from the court during the Phoenix game.
Rose certainly has footspeed I have no idea how you have determined that he does not. You also neglected to recognize his lateral movement which is also another plus in his favor when it comes to defending guys away from the paint.
Were the Spurs ousted by the Lakers due to a lack of length in the frontcourt rotation or a lack of physical play? Hmmmm...
Rose is not expendable unless you want to see the Spurs repeat the same postseason mistake.
This trade is not about Cliff Robinson, its about moving Malik and his contract. Malone will be here any day. We have Scola coming over next season and 2 first round picks. We just need an expiring contract to sit the bench like Malik will do if Malone comes. If Cliff can help us, great, if not, oh well we have the money we need to bring Scola and sign our two picks.
Beno, Brown and Barry all played more minutes in that game versus Pho. Last year was last year. The Suns and Sonics play a different style..
Correct.
That's great. What if Scola's a bust and you can't get anything with those two picks other than more overlooked international guards?Malone will be here any day. We have Scola coming over next season and 2 first round picks. We just need an expiring contract to sit the bench like Malik will do if Malone comes. If Cliff can help us, great, if not, oh well we have the money we need to bring Scola and sign our two picks.
Rose had 20 minutes in that game @ Phoenix.
Seattle's success against the Spurs has been due in no small part to the physical play of Fortson and the other Sonic frontcourt scrubs. Surely you recall Malik leading the run back against the Sonics in the last time the two teams met with Ray Allen on the court.
isn't cliffy an alcoholic or at least a baby eater?
Uncle Cliffy is a playoff choker, with the rock anyway. Just tell him to defend, and not shoot.
GS is not going to do this straight up for Malik, so those who want Cliff, be prepared to lose something else.
Golden State already said last month that they were willing to take long contracts for any servicable big man in exchange for Cliff or others on their roster. They are over the cap anyway, so Malik's contract won't kill them.
What they probably won't like is the $3M that they have to pay because of that clause in the Malik's contract. Is it possible that the Spurs pay part of it? Is that allowed?
You know what people? The Spurs already have a 58 year old 6'10" forward who can give you everything defensively and offensively that Uncle Cliffy can plus he's a little more savvy when it comes to the postseason.
You can't sell this potential move as one that brings anything to this team this season. It's a reduction in the talent base in order to help the Spurs be some cheap mofos.
Yes Kori, the Spurs should be able to give them up to $3 mil in cash as a part of the deal.
I miss 108 year old Kevin Willis and those short little arms of his.
It's rather funny that you keep adding 10 years to Cliff's age every time you mention it...
58 --> 68 ---> 78 ---- skipped 88 ---> 98 (above)
edit: you didn't skip 88... it was here all along..
88 and 98 were in the same post.
Isn't Robinson considered Mr. le Kryptonite as well (Karl Malone being Mrs. le Kryptonite)???
Been forever in the playoffs and his teams don't get over the hump...
Your opinion is biased and I dont even know you just have to look and see the Malik picture. Yes Malik has his times when he plays well, but on the whole with his contract in the equation, he's awful. He's undersized meaning he doesnt have a snowballs chance to do what we want him to do, guard the bigs. I am tired of seeing him throwing up 20 footers. We dont need him and dont want him, Pop may even throw one of the first rounders in the deal for someone to just take him. Scola is legit, hes not gonna be a star, but he can surely give us what Rose gives us plus more. Did you not see him in the Olympics?
Second sentence in and we're at the contract already. Go figure.
Yeah, let's just ignore the 5+ seasons when he was the primary backup bigman for the Spurs. I guess he couldn't play defense then for Gregg Popovich. Yeah.He's undersized meaning he doesnt have a snowballs chance to do what we want him to do, guard the bigs.
Then you should be tired of Robert Horry doing the same because both Rose and Horry shoot them at about the same clip and for the same accuracy. Also of note is that the coaching staff routinely will call for Malik to take the J from the top of the key area off the PnR.I am tired of seeing him throwing up 20 footers.
Actually, did you miss the game last night? I don't recall Malik having a problem with the 20 foot J.
Sounds like you just don't want him.We dont need him and dont want him,
Awesome, give up a quality big for an old has been and compound the error by throwing in a draft pick.Pop may even throw one of the first rounders in the deal for someone to just take him.
Oh really? Is he gonna bring the same physical Eurostyle play that Rasho Nesterovic has?Scola is legit, hes not gonna be a star, but he can surely give us what Rose gives us plus more.
Yes I did. But that's the Olympics. Zarko Paspaji once actually looked like a NBA player in the Olympics.Did you not see him in the Olympics?
No.
It's a bad idea to depend on age on the floor, see Terry Porter (who was on the floor), and Malone himself (injured for last year's le series). To make it worse, neither Cliff nor Malone are clutch, and the West has too many teams that get out and run.
Now Malik naysayers are saying he has no footspeed?
WTF? He's the fastest big we have, easy.
God what an absolutely horribly pathetic trade this would be.
Clifford Robinson couldnt play well in the playoffs in Portland and Phoenix.
A couple years in Oakland is gonna fix this???
Kori,
I remember you bringing up a similar trade like this, but with Dale Davis being the name not Clifford Robinson.
Aren't you all overlooking something? Pop has been trying to MOVE this guy for a solid year. If he is...the fastest big man, the 5 year tough guy in the middle, the good jump shooter, etc etc, why on earth would a team be looking to unload a guy like that? Could it be your analysis of his value to this team and his skill level is wrong? Plus, where are all the teams lining up to take him off the Spurs hands?
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