Visit from the kids father.

[MannyIsGod]

Here is my only point about the positive of going to college.......if you dont go, you have to either own your own business, or work you way up through the lowest of ranks in a company to be accomplished.

With a college degree, you can enter into a company at a much higher level. In our company there are many, many positions that a bachelors degree is the minimum requirement in order to EVEN APPLY for the job.

Just my .02 Cents

College isn't for everyone.

[BacktoBasics]

Here is my only point about the positive of going to college.......if you dont go, you have to either own your own business, or work you way up through the lowest of ranks in a company to be accomplished.

With a college degree, you can enter into a company at a much higher level. In our company there are many, many positions that a bachelors degree is the minimum requirement in order to EVEN APPLY for the job.

Just my .02 Cents

Well the point would be to narrow down the intention before graduating HS. How often do we see people so undecided ultimately up schooling so much they have to go backwards before going forwards or simply piss away the entire experience. I'm not discounting College at all which is the point of my stance with this guy. I'm simply pointing out that it could be utilized much more effectively.

While I agree with your stance, I'm not quite sure that's what I'd tell my kids and I might rather them have an education that would open up a lot more opportunities than a trade school would, which is basically one job.

Bouncing off my point above the idea is to use HS as an opportunity to figure out whats important vs. waiting till the last minute. Somewhere along the lines we've built on the idea that we don't have to plan our future until we're two years into College. Two years that we spent hating being there just like HS. Going thru the motions because we have to all while waiting for some epiphany to lead us to our future.

There's no reason to exclude the idea of a trade school or specialty program geared twords your primary objective and then use college to compliment the idea.

Like this:

Chef - Culinary school.

Basics - Community College.

Higher learning - Some type of business or finance degree.


However if you have a plan and you prepare yourself you don't need a college degree to write a winning business proposal which is where so many business's fail. You could redirect a large portion of money in a different direction if the plan fits and its solid. Then baby step twords more education if you like.

The dream is lost with the inability to walk away from a steady job once you're 30-35-40 and come to terms with wanting to do something different or something you wanted to do when you were younger but couldn't accomplish because you did it by the book and went to college and got a decent job. At that point with 2-3 kids its hard to give up a ty 50k a year job to rebuild yourself. Too many people are dependent on your steady paycheck to piss it away for a prior dream. Do it up front and line up your options earlier then zero in on a plan you're passionate about.

[BacktoBasics]

So do you pull their homework assignments out of their backpacks and hide them and put vaseline on their DP's in the fridge? You want to be sure and prepare them for all lifes challenges at their future jobs...

that is ing awesome.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm not totally pitching the "college isn't for everyone" line. I'm simply stating that there are other ways, possibly better, to accomplish your goals. Misused college does nothing. You have to use it properly for it to pay off.

[JoeChalupa]

To a certain degree I can understand how important a college education is in today's society. It is what it is and there are many jobs the do require a college degree.

[MannyIsGod]

A Masters is a new bachelors because a lot of these ers who are getting degrees that have no right getting a degree. I know people accepted to UTSA's grad school program who barely have high school literacy. Are you ing kidding me?

[ashbeeigh]

I understand you B2B. All these other options you've mentioned though, culinary school, photography, accounting; they all are also another type of education as well. So you're just saying an "accredited university" isn't always the answer.


, after college I was a flippin' telemarketer with people who dropped out of high school.


But a bachelors degree is a bachelors degree, no matter what way you slice it. Anywhere you go "degree required:" you slap that on your resume anywhere HR is going to look at you harder then if you have "certification from ABCD community college."

Again, though, like anything the Bachelors could not be he right thing. My degree wasn't right for "Business training" at west. (screw them to this day for pulling that crap...)

Just my 2 cents like everyone else.

[tonylongoriafan]

about the view of college, if its about money, thats understandable. it's crazy expensive. i worked my way through undergrad and would have done the same for grad if i didn't choose a private school (cowboyed up)...but if it's about time, c'mon! college is the most fun time in a person's life. true you don't have any real money, live in a box, have no material possessions, and are a slave to a text book with no real-world meaning, but it's a part of growing as a person and quality of life. all colored bubbles aside, that's what it's all about, and the years spent on campus are an important part of that...now, if affordability is the issue than thats a different story.

[MrChug]

College isn't for everyone.

You beat me to it and it could quite honestly be the one certainty in life. Maybe the educational system will figure out a way for it to be FOR everyone, but I digress.

3 things:

-you really can't force any "college age" kid to go to college. No matter what they'll do whatever they want no matter what your age or relationship to them. It's always been some interesting form of rebellion to them.
-based upon the truth of MIG^^^, the fact is that I've done very very well for myself by simply working my way up the "corporate ladder" and working my ass off to become the best at what I do.
-the above statement won't work in all reality in the future so yes...kick their ass and get them to go to college

[J.T.]

Four year degrees are the new high school diploma... I sure as am not going to school because I want to, I'm going to school because my grandmother paid for a tuition plan and I don't have to pay for school. I rarely attend class, cheat when I do, and have invested more time learning about sex positions and psychopharmacology than I have in my school courses.

Grad school is the new four year degree and I'm not going to ing grad school.

[tonylongoriafan]

You beat me to it and it could quite honestly be the one certainty in life. Maybe the educational system will figure out a way for it to be FOR everyone, but I digress.

3 things:

-you really can't force any "college age" kid to go to college. No matter what they'll do whatever they want no matter what your age or relationship to them. It's always been some interesting form of rebellion to them.
-based upon the truth of MIG^^^, the fact is that I've done very very well for myself by simply working my way up the "corporate ladder" and working my ass off to become the best at what I do.
-the above statement won't work in all reality in the future so yes...kick their ass and get them to go to college

+1

i've done the same...i have my education but didn't really need it to get where i am (i could have bought a new car with the $40k i spent on grad school)...but i have it, it's mine, no one can take it away and i can't possibly see how it could hurt anyone who has the means to pay for it.

[PM5K]

He thinks he can afford it but he can't. You did the right thing B2B, but next time you should throw in an arie gold slap special, imo.

You saw that, I loved that but I think we'd both agree between them is far from over...

[CuckingFunt]

The real thing to do is to stress that college is a wonderful idea if you want to learn. Not if you want to make money, not if you want to pigeonhole yourself into one possible career track, not if you want to appease your parents, but if you have a genuine thirst for knowledge and new information, college is fantastic. If you don't have that desire, college is a boring waste of time and you'd be better off pursuing something else.

Everyone I know who forced themselves to go to college right after high school for all the wrong reasons either ended up dropping out (like I did initally), or stuck in a career they hated and itching to go back to school in their 30s.



To demonstrate my point:

Four year degrees are the new high school diploma... I sure as am not going to school because I want to, I'm going to school because my grandmother paid for a tuition plan and I don't have to pay for school. I rarely attend class, cheat when I do, and have invested more time learning about sex positions and psychopharmacology than I have in my school courses.

Grad school is the new four year degree and I'm not going to ing grad school.

[JoeChalupa]

The real thing to do is to stress that college is a wonderful idea if you want to learn. Not if you want to make money, not if you want to pigeonhole yourself into one possible career track, not if you want to appease your parents, but if you have a genuine thirst for knowledge and new information, college is fantastic. If you don't have that desire, college is a boring waste of time and you'd be better off pursuing something else.

Everyone I know who forced themselves to go to college right after high school for all the wrong reasons either ended up dropping out (like I did initally), or stuck in a career they hated and itching to go back to school in their 30s.



To demonstrate my point:

Originally Posted by J.T. View Post

Four year degrees are the new high school diploma... I sure as am not going to school because I want to, I'm going to school because my grandmother paid for a tuition plan and I don't have to pay for school. I rarely attend class, cheat when I do, and have invested more time learning about sex positions and psychopharmacology than I have in my school courses.

Grad school is the new four year degree and I'm not going to ing grad school.

Damn

[ORION]

My son is going straight to the NBA

[T Park]

He's military so that explains much of it

Sorry I have too much respect for the people in the millitary and stopped reading after this tripe.

[Jekka]

I initially wanted to take some time off of school after high school, but my parents pretty much forced me to go (and had I waited, I wouldn't have gotten my grant from the state that paid more than half my tuition). My undergraduate degrees definitely weren't vocational - History and American Studies don't really grab employers unless you want to teach history, and I didn't want to teach. But I ended up in a field that requires a masters anyways, so it all worked out.

In retrospect, it's probably good I didn't take any time off - getting through grad school this early means I have more time to pay off my graduate loans, hooraaaaay.

[BacktoBasics]

Sorry I have too much respect for the people in the millitary and stopped reading after this tripe.

Good because you just saved me 15 minutes of trying to explain the simplist of to you because like always you decided to open your mouth without fully understanding the thread.

[CuckingFunt]

I initially wanted to take some time off of school after high school, but my parents pretty much forced me to go (and had I waited, I wouldn't have gotten my grant from the state that paid more than half my tuition). My undergraduate degrees definitely weren't vocational - History and American Studies don't really grab employers unless you want to teach history, and I didn't want to teach. But I ended up in a field that requires a masters anyways, so it all worked out.

In retrospect, it's probably good I didn't take any time off - getting through grad school this early means I have more time to pay off my graduate loans, hooraaaaay.

Yeah, I'm glad I dropped out and took a few years to figure out what I really wanted to study, but I'm considerably less happy about the fact I may very well be in school until I'm 36.

[Shelly]

I didn't go to college. I HATED high school. I asked my mom why she and my dad never pushed me to go to college and she just replied that they knew it wasn't for me. I didn't know what I wanted to do after high school. I am fortunate that not having a degree worked out okay for me.

[I. Hustle]

I agree with the whole not having to go to college thing. I understand that to get what you want you have to figure out the fastest and best route to get there instead of just blindly spending years somewhere and still just spinning your wheels.
I admittedly jacked up my life by not choosing to continue my education and I took a different route that didn’t actually turn out the way I wanted but that’s a completely different story that is too long to get into.
The only thing I didn’t completely agree with was having them call their father out. I know I don’t have all the facts so I am not slamming you, but what does that accomplish? Teach them to think for themselves and come to their own conclusions yes but teens are already stubborn and rebellious enough without adding to that. I just know that if I did that I would cause a lot of added stress because of my wife’s ex arguing with her about that stuff and in turn would cause a fight between us. Like I said though I don’t know the facts and he could be throwing out stuff about either you or your wife or even saying that pigs cocoa puffs and they should give them a try.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, I'm glad I dropped out and took a few years to figure out what I really wanted to study, but I'm considerably less happy about the fact I may very well be in school until I'm 36.

+1

Sucks to be us sometimes but at least I'm confident in what I'm doing now.

[Bigzax]

of course, having a college degree in your back pocket at the ripe old age of 21 or 22 while others are still trying to figure out what they want to do isn't bad either...

[BacktoBasics]

The only thing I didn’t completely agree with was having them call their father out. I know I don’t have all the facts so I am not slamming you, but what does that accomplish?

I hear you. Its probably not the right thing or maybe it is I don't entirely know yet.

I just got sick and tired of their father promising them things and not following thru.

Examples

When dad used to live in Florida.

: I bought both you girls Ipods for your birthday.

Girls: awesome here's are address please send them

then the ipods would never show up and he'd avoid their calls for two months. Then call when he had leave and decides to come visit. Still no ipods and then only because they didn't forget (I wouldn't let them) he'd take them to the store to finally fulfill the promise.


: I bought you both cell phones.

Girls: awesome can we text with them.

: text your heart out.

then the cuts the phones off once he gets the bill and sees how expensive they are. Meanwhile the kids are embarrassed because their friend are trying to call and text a phone out of service.

I bought them new phones with unlimited text and minutes because he refused to turn their service back on. Then told the girls to never ask for phones from him again because they took the ones I bought.

Regular promises that are never followed thru. You can get by with like that with little kids but not teenagers.

little stuff like this.

Trips to the mall turn into trips to walmart
Trips to the beach turn into trips to their dads friends house but no beach
Dinner out is the McDonalds drive-thru.

and yeah the dude has money so its not a poverty thing he does for himself and only himself.

its just aggrivating.


The latest promise is how he's going to buy both of them cars. It'll never happen. I'm already stockpiling vehicles when the day comes.

[I. Hustle]

I hear you. Its probably not the right thing or maybe it is I don't entirely know yet.

I just got sick and tired of their father promising them things and not following thru.

See that kind of stuff I can understand which is why I wasn’t quick to attack. The other night my step son got it in his head that he wanted to spend the night at his dad’s house. Which is completely cool. The kid is only 4 and needs to be around his dad. Well he get’s my wife to call and he (the dad) is like well I don’t know if I can, can you tell him next time blah blah blah and my wife was like no you tell him. I was so proud of her. The dude always tells him they are going to the movies and the lake and stuff like that and then backs out the day of. So I can understand that. The kid is barely going to be 5 and his dad doesn’t understand that if this keeps going on he is going to end up being the one blown off when the kid gets older.