Bill Clinton: Delay the debates, McCain acted in good faith

[2centsworth]

Passively or actively, the thought of conservatives giving credence to anything that Bill Clinton says must be positively stomach-turning to them.

financial conservatives like myself voted for the guy twice, so I don't know what the you're talking about.

[TheMadHatter]

Hilary Clinton lost the primaries because she was lying outright during her campaign. I specifically remember being disgusted at her outright lies against Obama that I decided not to vote for her. I know many of my friends felt the same way. Obama still strikes me as a different kind of candidate and I felt he would best represent the Democratic party this year.

That being said, there is bad blood between Obama and the Clintons. The primaries were brutal, perhaps the most compe ive I've ever seen in my life. Hilary has done her part in at least appearing to be on Obama's side, but that is because she is still a senator and it would not be in her interest to show any hint of negativity towards Obama. Her husband, on the other hand, has no such restrictions. He's doing the absolute bare minimum he can to help Obama out and to be quite honest it really seems like he's giving McCain far too many compliments.

Perhaps he is upset that the Democratic Party has finally found their now voice and leader. Obama is the first candidate in 8 years that has truly energized the Democratic Party, I suspect that doesn't sit right with Clinton. He wants to see Hilary in '12 not '17.

[MannyIsGod]

Fiscal conservatives are a rare breed.

[Cartman]

Fiscal conservatives are a rare breed.

Finding a Palin supporter in this forum ever rarer!

[2centsworth]

Fiscal conservatives are a rare breed.

in washington.

[2centsworth]

Finding a Palin supporter in this forum ever rarer!

what in the world are you talking about mouse. Palin knows more about Energy than the other three combined. Key issues for this country as I see it are Health, Energy and Defense. McCain/Palin have 2 of 3 covered.

[Shastafarian]

what in the world are you talking about mouse. Palin knows more about Energy than the other three combined. Key issues for this country as I see it are Health, Energy and Defense. McCain/Palin have 2 of 3 covered.

You mean how she thought Alaska produced 20% of the energy in the United States when in fact it produces 3.5% (only 14% oil so even if she meant oil she'd be wrong)?

[Bartleby]

Palin knows more about Energy than the other three combined.

And Russia, too.

[boutons_]

"I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country"

yes, McWorse was behind in the polls then, and he's cratering now.

The entire crisis story has taken on a totally Repug-scripted stink.

Paulsen, Bernanke, dubya fabricate a crisis, the entire economy at risk, paint it extremely urgent, needing $700B with no strings attached and within 7 days max.

McWorse suspends his trailing campaign, postpones a debate he wanted so badly all summer, and rides his white stallion into DC to save the day. I'm sure McWorse's staff has all scripts already written to spin that the crisis was saved by McSuperMan all by himself, while HUSSEIN obstructed every step of the way.

yey, yep, entirely too good for McWorse to be true.

"good faith" GMAFB.

We all know McWorse and the Repugs will literally do anything to throw an election. This "crisis" is an anything.

[FromWayDowntown]

financial conservatives like myself voted for the guy twice, so I don't know what the you're talking about.

Yeah, I probably should have named the duplicitous conservatives of whom I speak by name -- all of the millions of them.

I'm genuinely sorry to have cast my net just that small bit too broadly to have encompassed you within it.

[2centsworth]

Yeah, I probably should have named the duplicitous conservatives of whom I speak by name -- all of the millions of them.

I'm genuinely sorry to have cast my net just that small bit too broadly to have encompassed you within it.

you mean like the all lawyers are crooked net.

[SpursFanFirst]

Oddly, I am starting to respect him more and more since he has started "supporting" Obama.

[FromWayDowntown]

you mean like the all lawyers are crooked net.

Not particularly. I'd hazard a guess that more conservatives despised Clinton and disputed just about everything that he said during his time in office -- those who didn't are the rarer. By contrast, most lawyers I know are upstanding people who play by the rules, making those who are "crooked" rarer.

[2centsworth]

Not particularly. I'd hazard a guess that more conservatives despised Clinton

I hazard to say that most non-lawyers despise lawyers.

and disputed just about everything that he said during his time in office -- those who didn't are the rarer.

same with lawyers.

By contrast, most lawyers I know are upstanding people who play by the rules, making those who are "crooked" rarer.

most stretch "The Rules" for profit. Doesn't matter though, I don't mean to cast a blanket over you.

[Yonivore]

I wonder what would happen if people went after John McCain's war record like they went after Kerry's.

They'd find out just how different the two of them behaved when they were in the military.

I ing dare some idiot to try and go after McCain's war record. That'd be hilarious.

[FromWayDowntown]

I hazard to say that most non-lawyers despise lawyers.

Because bad lawyers cause all lawyers to be vilified.

same with lawyers.

Not a clue what this means.

most stretch "The Rules" for profit. Doesn't matter though, I don't mean to cast a blanket over you.

That's an untrue statement. Some stretch the rules for profit, most that I know (and I'll hazard a guess that I know more lawyers than you do) don't do that because professional ethics prohibit it and most lawyers I know feel duty-bound to comply with those ethics. As such, I think my point holds, regardless of your disdain (or anyone else's) of lawyers.

I appreciate, however, that you get the ultimate point regarding generalities.

I'll be sure to let you know from now on whether I intend to catch you in my net or not.

[Yonivore]

Bill Clinton clearly wants McCain to win so Hillary can have a path to the nomination in 2012. Her essential message would be "Obama had his chance and couldn't close the deal." They are putting their political ambitions ahead of what is good for the country. So I'm not going to listen to anything that they have to say. McCain and Palin are diametrically opposed to everything the Clintons supposedly stand for. They're utterly transparent.

Is this a sudden realization on your part?

[Shastafarian]

They'd find out just how different the two of them behaved when they were in the military.

John Kerry wasn't a POW, I'll give you that. But if you're claiming that the swift-boaters (who weren't even with Kerry during the war) are telling the truth then you're a bigger hack than I thought.

[Findog]

Is this a sudden realization on your part?

Not at all. I just thought he could do a better job of hiding it. They think this opens it up for Hillary in 2012. They forget most rank and file Dem voters will never forgive them if Obama loses and they sat on the sidelines.

[Yonivore]

Not at all. I just thought he could do a better job of hiding it. They think this opens it up for Hillary in 2012. They forget most rank and file Dem voters will never forgive them if Obama loses and they sat on the sidelines.

We can only hope.

[fyatuk]

John Kerry wasn't a POW, I'll give you that. But if you're claiming that the swift-boaters (who weren't even with Kerry during the war) are telling the truth then you're a bigger hack than I thought.

Of course they weren't very truthful. Anything that involves the initials PAC means they are at least exagerrating the truth.

But the Swift-boaters did bring up valid concerns about Kerry's service and medals and helped catch Kerry in a couple flat out lies. They certainly way overexaggerated everything, but there were certainly issues there.

Not that there aren't some issues with McCain's service that could be made a bigger deal of, but denying there was some truth to the Swift-boaters is the same as believing them at face value.

[Yonivore]

John Kerry wasn't a POW, I'll give you that. But if you're claiming that the swift-boaters (who weren't even with Kerry during the war) are telling the truth then you're a bigger hack than I thought.

Swiftboat Veterans for Truth aside, John Kerry hurried home when he earned his third Purple Heart (which included two rather dubious injuries) while John McCain refused early release after having been tortured for months because he knew what it would mean to those left behind.

John Kerry threw someone else's medals over the White House fence in protest. John McCain came home, finished his military commitment and began a political career.

John Kerry lied in testimony to Congress about the actions of soldier in Vietnam during the Winter Soldier hearings. John McCain supported veterans after separation.

There's more than just that McCain was a P.O.W. and Kerry was not.

[boutons_]

Bottom-of-the-class Naval Academy beneficiary of affirmative action, McWorse's POW experiences are irrelevant to being President. In no way are they qualifications.

Whatever character he showed in staying behind in VN has been totally offset by

cheating on and abandoning his first incapacitated wife,

being compromised by Keating for years,

his repeated snuffing out of POW/MIA recovery efforts,

his hiding of all military records of his POW experience,

and his current campaign of non-stop lies,

including yesterday's sandbagging stunt of HUSSEIN's initiative that they both take a common stance on the mortgage crisis.

One could say that the wear-and-tear of 5 years POW confinement aged him physically, and probably mentally, so that he's effectively in his late 70s, combined with the fact that he's overweight and unfit.