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I don't see that "deserving" should enter into the equation.
why should someone who committed crimes like this deserve to live and keep using our taxpayer money? he basically took the lives of numerous women..why does he deserve to keep his?
I don't see that "deserving" should enter into the equation.
Doesn't "deserving" enter into every equation when it comes to sentencing?
Doesn't a judge hand out the sentence he feels the defendant "deserves"?
Perhaps he may feel the defendant is "deserving" of another chance?
Then you have a bunch of killers behind bars. Someone has to guard those killers and keep them locked up. Unless they are in solitary then they are a danger to each other and to the guards. Why risk the lives of innocent people in the prison system?
It costs more of your taxpayer money to put a person on death row through all of their appeals and executionary et cetera than it does to convict a person and keep them in prison without an execution sentence. The death penalty is too costly and ineffective in terms of being a criminal deterrant, which is, arguably, a chief reason for its continued existence.
we just need that ice machine they had in demolition man
that is what the human rights organizations would like to make you believe.
if a 25 year old commits murder and gets life. we can expect to house him with full medical and dental care, in some places a college degree, etc for at least 40 years. that is very costly...and that is probably a minimum age... plus the cost of 1 dollar in 40 years is way more expensive than the cost of 1 dollar today with inflation.
also, they don't learn with just prison time:
Of the 3,581 inmates on Death Row as of January 1, 2003:
64.3% had a prior felony conviction at the time of the murder.
and
27.8% were on probation, or parole at the time of the murder.
http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/dpusa.htm
what do you think these killers deserve?
On the morning of August 23rd, 2002, this killer murdered a seven-year-old girl and a six-year-old boy in their home in Warsaw Kentucky. Both of the childrens' throats had been slit and they suffered multiple lacerations and stab wounds on their bodies. Their ten year old sister played dead after also being stabbed several times. The hands of the mother were bound with duct tape and she was tied to the bed frame. She was raped and stabbed in the chest with a knife that broke off in her chest. She was later stabbed with a larger knife and left for dead. After stabbing the victims, the killer burglarized the home and left the scene. He was arrested later the same day in West Virginia.
This killer kidnapped, robbed, bound, gagged and executed two high school students who became lost on their way to a football game in Jefferson County in 1984. The killer sodomized one of the victims before executing him. The killer told four people he had killed the victims. The personal property of the victims was found in his possession.
This killer beat three senior citizens to death in the course of a robbery in Powell County in 1979. They were ages 74, 75 and 79. Due to the brutal nature of the fatal beatings, they had to be buried in body bags.
If you would like more reasons for the death penalty click here to see more s :
http://www.lexingtonprosecutor.com/death_row.htm
If only there was a way to talk to the innocent victims of the death penalty.
Oh, that's right, THEIR DEAD!
Yeah, how many of those have been proven innocent, and how many life'rs have killed again?
See, the thing is you can't argue for the death penalty by saying that other aspects of the criminal justice system don't work.
Here's an idea...
FIX THE ING SYSTEM
Yep.
Somebody's gonna hate me for saying this, but I believe the number of appeals for convicted killers and rapists should be limited (but ONLY in cases with inarguable DNA evidence). From all the stories you hear, it seems like many prisoners are on death row for 30 years because they've been appealing over and over again for 25 of them.
agreed des,
i too have heard that death penalty is more expensive than life terms.
in that case. Fix the system. Injections are cheap.
throwing out the trash doesn't mean there won't be more. but it keeps it from piling up and stinking up the whole house.
Prisons are expensive. Inject them all.
Another thing people fail to realize. They argue for the death penalty over other methods of purnishment as if it's actually used on a regular basis.
It's HARDLY ING USED!
It's used to little Idon't know how it does any of the following effectivly:
1. saves money
2. keeps people off of the street
3. makes it harder on criminals
It is the ultimate punishment for the ultimate crime.
Really? Well it's a godamn shame that minorities and many poor people on death row don't get the ultimate counsel on their side now isn't it?
49.7% of people on death row are black.
They must be the ultimate race.
Sure, the death penalty is an equal punishment applied equaly. My ass. It's the ultimate crock of .
What I said had nothing to do with race. Don't make it about that.
Sure, what you said had nothing to do about race. I'm not calling you racist. I'm pointing out that your ultimate system is ultimately racist.
Fix the system.
I suggested this a couple of years ago. Here goes again. Banish the worst criminals to a world in which they walk freely amongst their peers.
Eliminate the death penalty completely. Eliminate every maximum security prison (except for 1). Then fence off, in a VERY maximum security way, 10, 000 square miles in the middle of bum , Nevada, and turn every prisoner loose (who would otherwise be sentenced to a traditional maximum security prison) in this new open-air prison.
I won't delve into all the boring logistics, except to say that prisoners would be offered a warm bunk in the winter; all the beans, rice and tortillas they could want (plus the utensils with which to cook said beans and rice; not to mention a plethora of es). Throw in books, medical care, and the like, and they are set.
Additionally, provide some sort of industry so that these criminals could offset some of the cost associated with running this prison. Range-free chicken farming seems like a natural fit. They could supplement their beans and rice diet with chicken, and sell the rest.
It might be a dangerous place to be a prisoner, and that is why I would retain one traditional maximum security prison. A prisoner, at sentencing, could decline being transferred to the open-air Nevada facility, and instead opt for four walls and iron bars. If it were me, I'd be going west.
Sounds crazy, but, why the F* not do this?
I wonder how quickly the bleeding hearts at the ACLU would begin to clamor at the "civil rights violations". But to those of us with a little more sense, it sounds like a decent idea.
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Last edited by desflood; 02-13-2005 at 09:23 AM.
Sorry, kids hit the keyboard, then I hit the wrong button as I was editing.
it would be dangerous to be a guard at one of these free-range prisons!
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