People are calling for Bowen's head

[Clandestino]

that is what happens when you are one of the league's best defenders.. players get pissed...

[boutons]

We debated here the Bowen undercut of Carter last season, where, imo, Bruce's foot was planted under Vince as Bruce was he turned watching the shot. It just didn't look like a natural move to me, a big Bowen fan, so it's very understandable that a lot of people called Bruce's move dirty last season.

But last night, what happened was much less clear as legs were very confused and tangled. I'm very happy that VC was not hurt, and very unhappy that he was ejected. The pleasure and the victory would have been much more significant if Carter had gotten 60 points ..... in a losing cause. True super-star, all-star balla player, me first, my team, the game.

I guess we're stuck with another 2nd half of the season with "Bowen is dirty" echoes.

[IX_Equilibrium]

Provide links to these forums that are calling for Bruce's head. I'll join them and offer a differing opinion.

[spurster]

Bowen tries to bother Carter's shot by jumping into Carter a little bit and at the same time Carter kicks his leg out. When Bowen lands, Carter's leg gets Bowen off-balance and into Carter. At least that is what I see on the video.

I thought Bowen had undercut Carter at first, but after Bowen lands, his movement is caused by Carter.

[myhc]

Bowen tries to bother Carter's shot by jumping into Carter a little bit and at the same time Carter kicks his leg out. When Bowen lands, Carter's leg gets Bowen off-balance and into Carter. At least that is what I see on the video.

I thought Bowen had undercut Carter at first, but after Bowen lands, his movement is caused by Carter.

You're right. When Vince kicks his leg out, it hooks Bowen's leg and forces Bowen to move in Carter's direction. Vince overreacts because of the incident last year which is perfectly understandable.

[rascal]

I saw Bowens leg come forward first then Carter's.

And I saw on replay Bowen head butt Carter first, the refs missed it, then Carter retaliated with a head butt the refs saw that and thats how he got his first technical.


I'm sure the NBA will review the tapes and keep a closer eye on Bowen. Whistles will blow much quicker on him now.

Edited: I saw the replay over a number of times and bowens leg did not come out first but he did extend it under Carter after Carter went up higher on his spinning jump shot. Carter's leg extended out first with the momentum of his shot then bowens came out underneath. It was an undercut. Not only did bowen extend his leg out he was moving forward into carter, again undercutting. Carter's leg/foot made contact with bowen and pulled him even further forward as Carter came down and both players lost their balance.

[IX_Equilibrium]

I saw Bowens leg come forward first then Carter's.

And I saw on replay Bowen head butt Carter first, the refs missed it, then Carter retaliated with a head butt the refs saw that and thats how he got his first technical.


I'm sure the NBA will review the tapes and keep a closer eye on Bowen. Whistles will blow much quicker on him now.

I think VInce Carter's reputation of being the biggest crybaby in the league will supercede any su ions of Bowen playing dirty. Bowen already has a rep of being the tightest perimeter defender in the league. The refs expect him to play tight D.

[maxpower]

I saw Bowens leg come forward first then Carter's.

And I saw on replay Bowen head butt Carter first, the refs missed it, then Carter retaliated with a head butt the refs saw that and thats how he got his first technical.

They both got technicals.

The guys that are saying Bowen's defense of carter's shot was cheap are insane. How many times have you seen a defender lunge out at a guy taking a 3 and following through the shooter's body. Of course they call a foul but no one calls those plays dirty. The defender is attempting to contest the shot..unfortunately they have no time to adjust their path and their momentum just happens to take them into the shooter.
Similarly, Bowen had to do the same due to his anticipation of carter's drive he was leaning back you add to that carter's brush off with his off hand and he sends Bowen stumbling back half a step. Bowen recovers and attempts to challenge carter's jump shot. If Bowen wanted to he could have lunged straight into carter's body. He did not he landed right besides carter. You can plainly see carter stiffen his leg around Bowen(considering carter was in the air, any contact whatsoever would have sent carter laterally, that did not happen, carter is a bad actor). carter loses his balance and instead of bringing his leg down he keeps it wrapped around Bowen and overexagerates his fall.

p.s. how many people here stated they have not seen the game or plays...I'm sure the mensa's posting on the general boards did not as well.

[2centsworth]

I'm sure the NBA will review the tapes and keep a closer eye on Bowen. Whistles will blow much quicker on him now.

Good, the attention he got last year made him play better.

Vince copped out when he knew he was going to have to perform in the clutch. He was going to do anything to get out of that situation. Similar to the Mike Tyson move against holyfield. Now Vince has an excuse and didn't take the chance of looking like a 4th qtr choker like we all know he is.

[kskonn]

Yea i do think that Bowen was trying to get into vince's head with the head butt, however Bowen has always messed with players that talk trash and whine about him. He did that with Ray as well, or does nobody remember the great tempered Ray Allen trying to chase Bowen down last year. these guys are superstars and need to learn to keep there composure like superstars. I don't recall seeing Lebron loosing his cool against Bruce, or I really don't even recall Koby losing his cool. I remember Koby t taking shots back at Bowen but hey that is part of the game, but I do not remember him complaining and whining. If he did let me know.

[Kori Ellis]

Bowen guards with all his limbs. He gets his feet in position to where his opponent has to adjust themselves. It's part of the game. It's part of being a good defender. Call it dirty all you want; I call it crafty

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

Bowen clearly moved into Carter when he shot the ball. How many times do you see Tim's defender go underneath him unintentionally? Never.

It wasn't a coincidence that Bowen somehow ended underneath or wrapped up in Carter on the jumpshot.

Like I said, Bowen won the mental game. But he clearly fouled Carter at least 3 times in 5 seconds.

I see it all the time DUNCAN getting foul 3 or more times almost every time he touches the ball.Carter was having a great game and really enjoy watching him play,but it was his fault he got thrown out of the game,but BOWEN gets the blamed See how the NBA refs. respond on Sundays game against BOWEN if he gets 2 quick fouls in the first 5 minutes of the game.

[2centsworth]

I see it all the time DUNCAN getting foul 3 or more times almost every time he touches the ball.Carter was having a great game and really enjoy watching him play,but it was his fault he got thrown out of the game,but BOWEN gets the blamed See how the NBA refs. respond on Sundays game against BOWEN if he gets 2 quick fouls in the first 5 minutes of the game.

Bowen gets the blame for how Vince reacts? What kinda twisted thinking is that.

[ShoogarBear]

I like Bowen, but the truth is he does some questionable stuff.

I hope everyone in here defending him realizes that you have just forfeited your right to say anything the first time someone undercuts Tony or Manu.

[kskonn]

I like Bowen, but the truth is he does some questionable stuff.

I hope everyone in here defending him realizes that you have just forfeited your right to say anything the first time someone undercuts Tony or Manu.

manu has been undercut number of times and I don't remember this big of a reaction. All of that is just part of the game. and yea bowen does do some questionable stuff, but at the end of the day you have to ask, "does he help the team win games?" and despite what you think about that play it was a turning point in the game. Most of his other questionable stuff has come back to help the spurs win.

[picnroll]

I like Bowen, but the truth is he does some questionable stuff.

I hope everyone in here defending him realizes that you have just forfeited your right to say anything the first time someone undercuts Tony or Manu.

You mean like Dirk? Never held it agianst him.

[2centsworth]

I like Bowen, but the truth is he does some questionable stuff.

I hope everyone in here defending him realizes that you have just forfeited your right to say anything the first time someone undercuts Tony or Manu.

nonsense, bruce has played tough d for years and only one player has ever accused bruce of undercutting. The only other player to complain about bruce complained that bruce was ing him up.


BTW, no coincidence that the vince is involved. His reputation is being a ing pussy.

[T Park]

I hope everyone in here defending him realizes that you have just forfeited your right to say anything the first time someone undercuts Tony or Manu.

SHow me where Bowen is undercutting Carter, and Ill agree. Till then, I have to respectfully say your way off.

Also, Manu gets undercut all the freakin time, and you dont hear nothing.

You NEVER hear Manu .

Why? Cause hes got a pair, unlike Vinc e.

[kskonn]

SHow me where Bowen is undercutting Carter, and Ill agree. Till then, I have to respectfully say your way off.

Also, Manu gets undercut all the freakin time, and you dont hear nothing.

You NEVER hear Manu .

Why? Cause hes got a pair, unlike Vinc e.

T Park, I totally agree. Tony and manu always get fouled hard, including being undercut. The exact quote from Pop was " If you are going to go inside the lane and play like those two do, you have to expect to get knocked down a few times." And you never see them go after the player that did it, they get up and go play defense and stay in the game, because that is how you help your team win games

[picnroll]

Does Vince still go in the lane?

[kskonn]

when no one is in their to defend him.

[picnroll]

Oh yeah. For those awesome uncontested dunks.

[boutons]

"Does Vince still go in the lane?"

yes, he does, down the lane and down the sides of the lane, the baselines, etc. Like Ray Allen, Vince is more than just a jump shooter.

[picnroll]

Seems like John Thompson just did an interview with Vince asking him why he's just become a perimeter jumpshooter and doesn't drive much anymore like a man and Pussy just grinned and shrugged.

[Useruser666]

"Does Vince still go in the lane?"

yes, he does, down the lane and down the sides of the lane, the baselines, etc. Like Ray Allen, Vince is more than just a jump shooter.

Yep they are also pussies. Even lord Kobe has not cried about Bowen.