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LOL @ the mavs fan posting in a spurs forum bashing spurfan
I don't mind #5..this is actually the 1st list this year where I've seen KG ahead of Duncan, so Garnett is obviously going to be ahead SOMETIMES..
LOL @ the mavs fan posting in a spurs forum bashing spurfan
Tim at 5 is actually high, considering the amount of hate and lack of coverage he receives (dunno if hate is the true meaning, but it sure seems like it). But to everyone who loves the spurs, we know hes really #1
And here's our answer. Garnett at #4. I guess he won the toin coss.
NBA Top 50: Kevin Garnett (No. 4)
by Tom Ziller
FanHouse's Tom Ziller argues his ranking of the top 50 players in the NBA.
Thanks to my overwhelming ego, I have not dared say this yet in our journey from 50 to 1: this choice, Kevin Garnett, won a coin toss against Tim Duncan. When I looked at the 2008-09 season and who I felt would be the best players in the NBA, I couldn't go one way or the other between Big Fun and the Big Ticket. So KG took tails and the No. 4 spot. I'm not ashamed of the arbitrary decision, though: it's probably the right choice by a smidgen.
Duncan gets mentioned as the greatest power forward ever, and might end up in a whole lot of top 10 all-time lists. But Garnett has been just as good through it all. Duncan has eight all-defense first team appearances. Garnett has seven. KG sits just a touch lower on all-time rebounds and blocks per game lists than Duncan, which can be in part attributed to Garnett's rookie season, where as a 19-year-old he played less than 30 minutes a game. In fact, during the pair's primes, KG led the league in rebounds four times. Duncan only finished as high as second once.
All this begs the question: is Garnett as good a defender as Duncan?
It's a tough case to make, when you consider San Antonio has been at or near the top of defensive rankings for basically the entirety of Duncan's career, while Garnett's Minnesota team fluttered about depending on the personnel. I think 2007-08 in Boston is telling, though. For the first time since Chauncey Billups, Garnett had a point guard who couldn't be described as a matador. Sam Cassell, Troy Hudsen ... could Duncan anchor a defense with marshmallows and still find himself with the No. 1 defense? Give Garnett a Rajon Rondo, it's a better comparison. In fairness, Rondo's a better stopper than Tony Parker. But look at all the other defensive aid Duncan has had: Bruce Bowen, David Robinson, Manu Ginobili -- Duncan's teams have always been better equipped to defend hard. This isn't a knock on Timmy, as the results matter. But it's plausible Garnett would have kept San Antonio atop the defensive rankings in Duncan's stead. Last season's magical Boston defense is Exhibits A through E.
And then there's offense. Duncan has been responsible for a greater share, the pair have been equally as efficient. But that's measured over the course of their careers. At their peaks, there's no question Garnett was the better weapon. Garnett's four-year run between 2002-03 and 2005-06 is unmatched this decade in terms of complete output. During that stretch, Garnett averaged 23/13/5. Simply outrageous, outrageous production.
2006-07 was a down year for Garnett, and was either translated as the first step in Ticket's decline or KG's cryptic plea to get out of town. The team was awful under Randy Wittman, who took over for a coach (Dwane Casey) who shouldn't have been fired. The roster around Garnett had become toxic it was so bad. Come Boston in 2007-08, the box score statistics again trickled down ... but not due to some crushing decline in Garnett's skills. Everything he had done for years, he did. Well, except lose ...
So we're still left with the question of whether Garnett's on his way out, or whether there's life left in him ... the same question we faced with Duncan. My prognosis for Boston is aimed higher than that of San Antonio: the Celtics, with Rondo and Leon Powe and the ever-buoyant Paul Pierce, actually might have an improving roster, which can only mean good things for the star. (See: Bryant, Kobe.) The Spurs are on their way out, which won't help Duncan make his case. And while Duncan probably holds the career lead on Garnett, the case should get a bit closer this season.
I don't see where he explains why Garnett should be above Duncan in that segment. All he did was prove why Duncan is a little better than Garnett in every category.
His explanation:
...this choice, Kevin Garnett, won a coin toss against Tim Duncan.
I see this guy never considered playoff stats.And here's our answer. Garnett at #4. I guess he won the toin coss.
NBA Top 50: Kevin Garnett (No. 4)
by Tom Ziller
FanHouse's Tom Ziller argues his ranking of the top 50 players in the NBA.
Thanks to my overwhelming ego, I have not dared say this yet in our journey from 50 to 1: this choice, Kevin Garnett, won a coin toss against Tim Duncan. When I looked at the 2008-09 season and who I felt would be the best players in the NBA, I couldn't go one way or the other between Big Fun and the Big Ticket. So KG took tails and the No. 4 spot. I'm not ashamed of the arbitrary decision, though: it's probably the right choice by a smidgen.
Duncan gets mentioned as the greatest power forward ever, and might end up in a whole lot of top 10 all-time lists. But Garnett has been just as good through it all. Duncan has eight all-defense first team appearances. Garnett has seven. KG sits just a touch lower on all-time rebounds and blocks per game lists than Duncan, which can be in part attributed to Garnett's rookie season, where as a 19-year-old he played less than 30 minutes a game. In fact, during the pair's primes, KG led the league in rebounds four times. Duncan only finished as high as second once.
All this begs the question: is Garnett as good a defender as Duncan?
It's a tough case to make, when you consider San Antonio has been at or near the top of defensive rankings for basically the entirety of Duncan's career, while Garnett's Minnesota team fluttered about depending on the personnel. I think 2007-08 in Boston is telling, though. For the first time since Chauncey Billups, Garnett had a point guard who couldn't be described as a matador. Sam Cassell, Troy Hudsen ... could Duncan anchor a defense with marshmallows and still find himself with the No. 1 defense? Give Garnett a Rajon Rondo, it's a better comparison. In fairness, Rondo's a better stopper than Tony Parker. But look at all the other defensive aid Duncan has had: Bruce Bowen, David Robinson, Manu Ginobili -- Duncan's teams have always been better equipped to defend hard. This isn't a knock on Timmy, as the results matter. But it's plausible Garnett would have kept San Antonio atop the defensive rankings in Duncan's stead. Last season's magical Boston defense is Exhibits A through E.
And then there's offense. Duncan has been responsible for a greater share, the pair have been equally as efficient. But that's measured over the course of their careers. At their peaks, there's no question Garnett was the better weapon. Garnett's four-year run between 2002-03 and 2005-06 is unmatched this decade in terms of complete output. During that stretch, Garnett averaged 23/13/5. Simply outrageous, outrageous production.
2006-07 was a down year for Garnett, and was either translated as the first step in Ticket's decline or KG's cryptic plea to get out of town. The team was awful under Randy Wittman, who took over for a coach (Dwane Casey) who shouldn't have been fired. The roster around Garnett had become toxic it was so bad. Come Boston in 2007-08, the box score statistics again trickled down ... but not due to some crushing decline in Garnett's skills. Everything he had done for years, he did. Well, except lose ...
So we're still left with the question of whether Garnett's on his way out, or whether there's life left in him ... the same question we faced with Duncan. My prognosis for Boston is aimed higher than that of San Antonio: the Celtics, with Rondo and Leon Powe and the ever-buoyant Paul Pierce, actually might have an improving roster, which can only mean good things for the star. (See: Bryant, Kobe.) The Spurs are on their way out, which won't help Duncan make his case. And while Duncan probably holds the career lead on Garnett, the case should get a bit closer this season.
Games
Duncan 155
Garnett 73
Wins/Losses
Duncan 100-55
Garnett 33-40
Playoff Series Record
Duncan 24-6
Garnett 6-8
Points per game
Duncan 23.4
Garnett 21.6
Rebounds per game
Duncan 12.7
Garnett 12.4
Blocks per game
Duncan 2.7
Garnett 1.6
FG%
Duncan 50.1
Garnett 47.0
That's a great way to write a list.
that is the funniest thing I have seen all day. well maybe not as funny as the girl I saw proudly wearing her Nowitski shirt at UTSA today.LOL, I was looking at the rest of the list and this was the picture they used for Dirk:
hahaha that sign in the background is all types of ironic.get a clue people.
someone should shop that picture to make the sign say "First Round" somewherethat is the funniest thing I have seen all day. well maybe not as funny as the girl I saw proudly wearing her Nowitski shirt at UTSA today.
The sign reminds me of this:LOL, I was looking at the rest of the list and this was the picture they used for Dirk:
hahaha that sign in the background is all types of ironic.
Well there you have it:
What a difference a ring makes in re-writing history.Duncan gets mentioned as the greatest power forward ever, and might end up in a whole lot of top 10 all-time lists. But Garnett has been just as good through it all
Garnett over Duncan...well I really don't like that!
he calls out tims teammates,
what ever happened to that overrated trenten hassell the defensive player....spree, cass, kandi, wally, oh dont forget that rookie KG punch during trainin scrimmage, how about rasho
he had fukn rasho once and cant win with rasho, while duncan wins one with rasho.
/thread.
What the ? Garnett's peak was better than Duncan on the offensive end?
Did he watch Duncan during 00 to 04?
He talked about Garnett having a poor supporting cast and his team failures, and yet failed to mention the dip in Garnett's production when he had good ones. Ever considered that Garnett was putting up great stats on a bad team, and good stats on a good team, while Duncan has consistently put up great stats on good teams?
The rankings really aren't that big of a deal, but man, this guy's logic and basketball knowledge is just wack.
Duncan should be #3. Only Kobe and LeBron should be ahead of him.
Only 3 guys left, Kobe, LeBron & CP3.
I have no idea how Deron Williams got stuck at #20 (I think that was the rank). Given what he's done with KG over Duncan, it wouldn't surprise me to see CP3 at #1.
I agree with you there, CP3 should not be ahead of Duncan...Duncan can still drop 30 and 20 with a couple blocks if it's needed.
because he's never been past it?
That Duncan vs. Garnett could even be deemed worthy of a coin-flip, nothing would surprise me. I think Lebron is a great player, but the only scenario where I'd take him over Duncan is if age were a factor.
No because as an MVP, he got raped in the first round.
Thats funny because there is a picture of him looking unhappy with an exit sign in the background that looks like it is telling him to GTFO, and thats ironic.
Here I'll post it for you so you can see it:
Duncan has been one of the most winning players of all time since he came into the league, best winning percentage of any major sport since he was drafted. KG was on worse teams but he was either not getting out of RD 1 or not making the playoffs at all almost every year of his career. Does anyone not believe TD would have done better with those same squads?What does KG do when he gets to the finals?? Oh yeah he can't throw the ball into the ocean against a bad defensive team and needs Paul Pierce to be the man to finally get a ring. This guy who wrote this article is a clown.
No he didn't, props to you for pointing that out. He must have been high when he wrote this.
Yep, which is why articles like this should be ignored, due to incompetence.
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