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The only thing socialist about anything Obama wants to do is his health care plan, which isn't even really socialist. He's letting you keep your existing plan if you like it.
My worst-case scenario? He buys into a lot of this stuff and wants to completely change the face of America by promoting anti-capitalist, socialist values, increased government, very liberal supreme court judges, increased en lements, and so on.
I never bought into the muslim/terrorist/etc ties.
The only thing socialist about anything Obama wants to do is his health care plan, which isn't even really socialist. He's letting you keep your existing plan if you like it.
Out of that 47 million uninsured they like to quote, why do they include 15 million illegals?
And demanding oil companies send $1k checks to everyone, how is that not a red-flag. Who the does this guy think he is?
Better video detailing both of the videos I posted and another segment from his rally.
If they included them, it's because they do indeed exist and we are already paying for their health care.
Why are we paying for illegals health care?
You have to wonder if he's playing the "be respectful" card now after Obama told him to say it to his face.
Because they get sick and injured.
Why do we pay for illegals' health care?
Hey, if you want to change the mission of most every public hospital in the country, get to it. We also pay for the uninsured already too. I'd rather be more upfront about it.
Maybe we can fix the illegal immigration issue if we require those who employ illegals to pay for their medical expenses! That way, hospitols and tax payers don't have too!
They pay for health care too. Any immigrant, legal or not, that plans to stay in the US pays taxes. There's a reason for that. Do you know what it is?
So what about their families?
And the uninsured who are not illegals?
I have an indirect motive. Making an employer take care of illegal workers will make then stop hiring them, or at least think twice. Then many of them will go back home.
So they'll just go out of business and put more people out of work and off the insurance rolls.
Good plan.
As long as Washington is run by bribes, many from industries that exploit illegals, there will never be any illegal immigration reform. There's too much money to be made by the people lining the pockets of our representatives in skirting labor laws by using people who cannot complain to anyone.
The uninsured illegals are certainly a burden, but they come nowhere close to the burden of 47M uninsured American citizens who "just go to the emergency room" like asshole dubya says, where care cannot be denied.
If the hospital isn't reimbursed by city/county/state, the hospital asks for federal reimbursement, so we are already paying about $50B/year for the costs of covering uninsured AMERICANS. OR the hospital jacks up its prices for insured care to cover the cost of uninsured. And the insurance companies jack up the premiums.
I have to give McCain credit for stepping up and defending Obama.
I think it took some guts to do that.
However, it only got to this point because his campaign allowed it to happen. I think he sees the writing on the wall and he knows that if he wants to continue having a political future, this bull had to be stopped post haste.
Still, it was an honorable thing to do, and he gained some of his respect back.
I hope he doesn't revert to that bull , he's better than that.
same here. i mean some of his supporters were getting bat crazy calling him a terrorist and even some shouts to kill him.
McCain Defends Obama a Result of What He and His Campaign Have Done
Obama supporters always have to spin everything. I give much props to McCain for coming to Obama's defense. And newsflash to Obama s, a segment of Americans would be scared and thinking Obama was a terrorist/Arab/threat even if McCain would have run a 100% friendly campaign. McCain didn't invent racism and bigotry and xenophobia and rabid partisanship.
McCain is slapping down on McCainiacs, now it'd be nice to see Obama try to elevate the Obama s from their current muck. The next few days leading up to the next debate shall be interesting.
Eh I think you're going too far. He may not have invented it, but his campaign has embraced it recently. I don't think thats his preferred path but it is HIS campaign in the end and in the end he has to answer for it.
For all we know he just got a batch of focus group or internal poll info that this negative is playing really badly. Almost every media outlet I turned on today as condeming him for it today, so that wouldn't surprise me very much.
Sometimes I want to give him the benefit of the doubt but sometimes when I think about the he's done and the absolute disdain he's shown towards Obama its hard for me to give him THAT much.
True but I can't imagine someone went from undecided voter to thinking Obama was a terrorist or a crazy Arab due to McCain's recent posturing. Someone would already have to be leaning that way to be that come to that dumb of a conclusion.
He didn't have to come to his defense though. He could have just moved on to the new strategy. Standing up for Obama went above and beyond what was needed.
There's no way his defense of Obama won any votes for McCain. If anything, he hurt himself.
I truthfully don't see the extra disdain toward Obama. McCain has always had a ornery streak. He can't hide it well and when it shows up, he ends up looking like he'd like to strangle Obama.
But I don't think there's any extra venom. McCain is just being McCain.
I gave props to John for saying Obama is a good man and then telling that stupid woman that Obama was not an Arab.
Obama supporters always have to spin everything. I give much props to McCain for coming to Obama's defense. And newsflash to Obama s, a segment of Americans would be scared and thinking Obama was a terrorist/Arab/threat even if McCain would have run a 100% friendly campaign. McCain didn't invent racism and bigotry and xenophobia and rabid partisanship.
McCain is slapping down on McCainiacs, now it'd be nice to see Obama try to elevate the Obama s from their current muck. The next few days leading up to the next debate shall be interesting.
Good job John.
But Sarah don't play that way.
I see a few possible motivations for McCain's efforts to change the tone of his campaign.
First and probably foremost, it's obvious it wasn't working. That said, I also think McCain really does see himself as a person of character and honor, and this really does disgust him, especially since it's the same sort of character attack that was used against him in 2000.
But a third reason may be that he wants to change the way he has come off in the first two debates, since this third debate is basically his last chance to try to undo all the hoopla about his refusal to look directly at Obama and his "that one" remark.
If McCain wants to come across as a dignified and affable candidate during the third debate, it doesn't make sense for him to sit back and smile while the lynch mob calls for Obama's head during his rallies and then act like nothing happened during the debate. That would seem hypocritical, which is one thing voters (of all stripes) really can't stand.
"this really does disgust him"
false
He and his pitbull have repeatedly stoked hatred, polarization with their lies and innuendo.
It's too late, esp for the ignorant, red-state, racist, xenophobic assholes like we have on this board, that he has lit up and attracted, for him to try to put back on his untouchable POW halo.
He has shown himself to have no ethics, no principles other than his egomaniacal MeFirst personal ambition.
Down and stomped by double digits in the polls with a couple weeks to go, he has only himself and his ty campaign to blame.
He can't change his spots now.
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