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    Sorry man, hate to admit it, but I tried to join the armed services 3 years ago, they turned me down for not one, but two things. They now have my old recruiter calling me back to try to get me to enlist. Yes I got a 99 on the asfab (spelling?) but I have a scar on my cornea over my left pupil and I still have the same on my record as I had 3 years ago (DWI). So why are they all of a sudden interested in me?? Answer, they are getting desperate. I was previously undesirable, now they are offering more money than before. (Inflation will not make 18k 3 years ago into 27k now)
    for one the DWI was 3 years ago... the armyknows people make mistakes and if you haven't done it again, maybe they assume you're reformed. also, have you ever used drugs or have any other medical problems. how much do you weigh. a 99 ASVAB is a perfect score, but are we really to believe you scored a 99 on a test you don't even know the name of?

    Anyway, are you joining now?

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    Charlie Moskos is a really good author on this issue. I read an article of his that he wrot with Paul Glastris, Now do you believe we need a draft, sorry I don't have the link, but if you are interested in this topic, read it. In my opinion it is really good. It doesn't make draft so scary any more.

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    Rolling Stone is to Politics as Fox News is to Music.

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    I wasn't referring to the Rolling Stone

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    I wasn't referring to your post.

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    Sorry. My mistake

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    I swear to you I scored a 99 on it. Ive never written it out, I just know how it's pronounced. I never took the time find out what it stands for either. To answer your other questions.
    Drugs: dabbled long ago with pot, nothing on record.
    Other Medical Problems: No
    Am I joining: No, I dont agree with the current administrations foreign policy and dont want to have to be the enforcer of its lunacy.

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    I swear to you I scored a 99 on it. Ive never written it out, I just know how it's pronounced. I never took the time find out what it stands for either. To answer your other questions.
    Drugs: dabbled long ago with pot, nothing on record.
    Other Medical Problems: No
    Am I joining: No, I dont agree with the current administrations foreign policy and dont want to have to be the enforcer of its lunacy.
    what MOS were you going for? or did it not get that far?

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    "We have 12 divisions and 10 are locked down in Iraq, either coming or going," said Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del. "Our ability to have any flexibility with ground forces anywhere else is diminished. If we had to move into Iran, Syria, North Korea or anywhere else, we'd be in real difficulty."

    In addition, he said, "we have absolutely spent, exhausted, and in some instances misled the National Guard and the reserves. I've been in Baghdad and Fallujah and I've spoken with them. When they enlisted in the Guard, they never anticipated being sent for two tours of duty in Iraq lasting a year or 18 months. We can't keep asking citizen soldiers to do that."

    In a highly critical memo on the use of Reservists, Lt. Gen. James Helmly said virtually the same thing late last year. Helmly, chief of the Army Reserve, said that "overuse" in Iraq and Afghanistan could result in a "broken force."
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    So we don't have neough troops for Iran, Syria, or North Korea? Gee, that's probably because we have no intention of ever going there!

    The point about Guardsmen and Reservists not expecting to serve in Iraq is a loaded question. Do you expect to die when you get into your car in the morning? No, of course not, but there is a chance that will happen. The Reserves and Guard are not organizations to join if you don't want to take the risk of going to war.

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    biden is ing stupid... and so are the guardsmen and reservists he asked... when you sign up for the military in any capacity you better expect to be ready to fight if called up... a reservist/guardsmen better know that when the government spends thousands of dollars training him it is not to fill sandbags during floods...

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    If there is a draft AHF what would you do? I mean you have said there absolutly wont be one, if there is then what? A lot of ass kissing I hope.

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    I think mandatory service is a great thing as long as there is a community service option. I'd gladly have given 2 years of my life doing community type work for a GI bill equivlant.

    I took the ASVAB back in HS and scored a 96, and dealth with recruiters calling for years. I almost joined a few times, most recently 2 years ago, but decided it just wasn't what I needed to do with my life.

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    I think mandatory service is a great thing as long as there is a community service option. I'd gladly have given 2 years of my life doing community type work for a GI bill equivlant.

    I took the ASVAB back in HS and scored a 96, and dealth with recruiters calling for years. I almost joined a few times, most recently 2 years ago, but decided it just wasn't what I needed to do with my life.
    Try Googling on "The Hazlewood Act" Manny. You could go paint ships for 2 (or a few) years and get a FREE education at any state funded university in the state of Texas. You wouldn't have to kill or torture a soul.

    I'm gonna bite my tongue here, but your community service vs. military service irks me a little because of its classist undertones - "let the bumpkins eat cake and defend my cons ution, I'm just here to express myself."

    Everyone should vote, but not everyone should serve - correct?

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    Everyone should serve, in a certain way. I'm sorry, but I can't justify joining an ins ution which is being used in ways I find EXTREMELY hard to justify.

    Hey, when those Canadians come over the border and we need people to help DEFEND this country, I'll sign up.

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    Simply put, I just dont' think the military is being used for National Defense. It's a shame we don't have Japan's cons ution in this regard.

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    Everyone should serve, in a certain way. I'm sorry, but I can't justify joining an ins ution which is being used in ways I find EXTREMELY hard to justify.
    Pardon me while I take a moment to blame VOTERS for the misuse of the military.

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    Actually, I agree with that. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but I definetly believe that the people of this country have a huge slice of blame to take for that.

    It's hard to maket his arguement and not sound like you aren't supporting the troops themselves, so I'll just leave it at that.

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    Actually, I agree with that. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but I definetly believe that the people of this country have a huge slice of blame to take for that.

    It's hard to maket his arguement and not sound like you aren't supporting the troops themselves, so I'll just leave it at that.
    I don't think you are unsupportive of our troops Manny, I just think you disconnect yourself from them as fellow citizens.

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    Hey, when those Canadians come over the border and we need people to help DEFEND this country, I'll sign up.
    Kind of like, if my ONE vote mattered, I'd vote.

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    One can enact change through voting, but one can not enact change by joining our military.

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    I don't think you are unsupportive of our troops Manny, I just think you disconnect yourself from them as fellow citizens.
    How so?

    I don't believe that the majority of our military is driven to serve by a strong sense of patriotism. I believe that the stronger than usual patriotism they disply is as a result of serving not as a desire to serve.

    I think many people are driven to serve because of economic reasons.

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    I think many people are driven to serve because of economic reasons.
    Hence, my use of the word "classist."

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    One can enact change through voting, but one can not enact change by joining our military.
    Unless you factor in that college education, that might otherwise be lost.

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    This reminds me to read Starship Troopers

    One can also lap dance their way into a college education, but I don't advocate that either.

    I'm curious, if the government offered a 2 year program where you served within the community in a non military fashion with the same benefits afforded to the military, what do you think would happen to our military?

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