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You'll have to excuse me, i'm a bit slow. Could you please explain this gate/fence picture for me please? I wouldn't want to assume anything here. Thank you.
You'll have to excuse me, i'm a bit slow. Could you please explain this gate/fence picture for me please? I wouldn't want to assume anything here. Thank you.
don't worry, timVP has a bad habit of drawing incorrect conclusions
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Link? Link? Whott don't need no stinking link!
Those who have come to think badly about ACORN and that have taken it out on innocent people and those not even involved in newsworthy ACORN stuff (i.e. voter registration fraud) are so dumb.
I received an e-mail on friday from someone in New Orleans (where ACORN is headquartered) in my work e-mail box telling everyone what to do if there is/was a threat of violence. It was scary. Obviously this was sent out mainly to those involved in the registration turmoil, but we aren't immune either.
We've had several semi-prank calls from people asking us to register them and how "mickey mouse" can register. I play along, because of course it's all a load of crap, and nothing has happened in the SA office. But, we are not immune to the crazies that could do something like these above mentioned articles. We had some conservative lady come into the office a few days ago ranting and raving about the controversy and we had show her out the door. All while I was doing my own work (non-voting) related.
I agree with you in theory. I'd be great if the United States could be truly united by following the direction of those in Washington. If everyone in Washington could get along, that would probably have some sort of trickle down effect to the rest of us.
However, that said, wanting that to be reality isn't realistic. All Presidential elections get ugly -- that's just the nature of the beast. In the current climate with a President with a historically low approval rating, a questionable war, a tumbling economy and many other issues facing the country, this election was bound to be fierce.
And really, Obama has McCain backed into a corner. McCain's two options right now are to concede and hand the election over to Obama or to fight by all means necessary. Given his options, I can't blame McCain. If McCain tries any straightforward tactics, all Obama has to do is hit him with the Bush stick and McCain's tactic is a failure.
What solutions would you suggest to curb the negativity? McCain could concede and let Obama win. The US could introduce a few laws to make it illegal to use negative ads. We could turn the media over to the government. Do these sound like better alternatives?
Overall I agree these are some nasty times and it's quite possible something tragic could happen as a result in the coming months but I don't see any better alternatives. Obama backers could call for McCain to rollback the attacks and hand over the election, but that is just as Un-American as the other options.
timVP is exactly right. This is one of the few times I am in complete agreement here. The candidates we elect are a direct representation of our ourselves IMHO. If negative campaigning didn't work then McCain would stop, but the bottom line is it DOES work on a surprisingly large number of voters.
If we want to fix the way politics works in this country and raise the level of discourse then we as a people must reject the two parties and look elsewhere for answers. I'm not holding my breath though.
I think the opposite is true. Politicians go negative because it works. It works because we are willing to believe and in fact, want to believe any negative allegations about those in the opposing party.
It kind of ties in to my post in another thread about the failure of many of us to acknowledge any redeeming qualities about the opposing candidate. I'm just as guilty of it as the rest. We want to believe the other guy is completely and thoroughly flawed so that this is an easy decision. How could you even consider McCain, he'll start another war or keep us in Iraq for 100 years? Obama's a closet Muslim or a socialist (or both!), how can you possibly vote for him?
And , if the decision is an easy one, there's no reason to learn anything else about the process or the candidates. That would take effort and we might learn something about "our" candidate that we don't want to know. So there's no reason to question your own candidate's policies, your own party's platform. We can just revel in this superficial level of analysis. I know the other guy is the worst possible thing that can happen to this country and that's all I need to know.
The media feeds these prejudices because it makes things easier for them. We don't need analysis, that takes work. Let's get one guy from the Obama campaign and one guy from the McCain campaign and let them hurl accusations at one another. McCain guy, what do you think? Obama's friends with terrorists. Obama guy, your response? No he's not. McCain's a liar and Bush 44. Thank both of you. Now let us show you this colorful map. Goodnight.
This is what we are left with - ridiculous assertions made by both parties and given a stage by the media. We are satisfied with it because it's easy. I can't read McCain's tax plan in the morning while I'm getting dressed. I don't have time. But it doesn't take much for "McCain has 7 houses" to sink in. I can't figure out the details of Obama's health care plan while surfing the net at work, but I can see a headline on Drudge about Obama being friends with a terrorist or having a racist preacher.
We're to blame. It will be on all of us if goes down in the next three weeks or so.
(Sorry, every once in a while I rant about our society)
McCain has to run more negative adds because he's only got a quarter of a newtwork doing it for him, as opposed to Obama who has 7 3/4, the internet, and most news magazines doing it for him.
I thought Fox was 75% in the tank for Obama????
Or I'll keep posting because I don't care about your ignore list.
! Everyone is attacking everyone!
It's going to get worse.
I thought 2004 was bad, but this year will be much worse.
If Obama wins, some on the right will go ape thinking a terrorist is running the country.
If McCain wins, some on the left will go ape thinking that McCain and the GOP must have stolen the election from the first Black president.
We're ed no matter what.
I don't think it will get bad at all until Pelosi & co. start to push whatever comes to mind.
I keep trying to imagine how shocked I will be if Obama loses. All that money, all that support..for nothing? I can't imagine it.
I actually think it will be worse if Obama loses. There are more people that are emotionally invested in his candidacy.
I want Obama to win, but I'm not going to riot if he loses. I don't actually think McCain is that bad. I thought the world of him in 2000 and am hoping that this iteration of him is just a ploy to win over the base of the GOP. I think he will be more moderate as a President than he's been on the stump.
Just to give you an example of what I'm worried about. During the primary, I volunteered for the Obama campaign at a polling site here in SA as a poll watcher. There were Hillary volunteers and Obama volunteers outside the site. They fought the entire time and at one point, I thought there was going to be violence. People were screaming and cussing at each other. The Hillary people accused the Obama people of misleading voters at to the correct polling location. The Obama camp accused the Hillary camp of coercing people that were in line waiting to vote and we literally had to step between them. It was me and two old ladies that were working to polls that had to calm the situation down. And we were all Democrats!
I think Stewart put it in such a way as to be pretty close to the truth:
McCain, Palin, and their respective campaign created a monster and that monster is turning on them, and is out of control.
They are clearly horrified by what is happening in their nane to be sure, but should have had the good sense to not have sewn the monster together and run electricity through it.
I have managed to sneak secret surveillance footage of Rove with one of his henchmen brainstorming about GOP strategy in the last few days of the campaign:
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