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Parts pf 1604(new lanes), 1516, parts of 281 and/or the 281-1604 interchange, parts of 35 from 1604 to 410 (Northeast side. I think all the props have been for adding new seperate lanes that are toll.
Orange County in CA has a few toll roads now. They have this program called FasTrak. You get this transmitter device and as you pass through the toll, the transmitter beeps and deducts the toll from your balance. Or you can stop and pay the toll. The toll roads are great because as horrific as CA's traffic is, these freeways are usually empty.
Aren't there rumblings of making 1604 a toll road?
Parts pf 1604(new lanes), 1516, parts of 281 and/or the 281-1604 interchange, parts of 35 from 1604 to 410 (Northeast side. I think all the props have been for adding new seperate lanes that are toll.
Solution = move to Langtry Texas. Population....30
Seriously, toll roads are great because they are fast and pay for themselves. There are always alternatives.
yeah, but what about the roads we built with taxpayer money here in sa that they want to now start charging for? pretty bs...
For someone who doesn't even have a car you sure know a lot about toll roads. There ARE NOT always alternatives. Even if there are, they may take a much longer route or jam with congestion. Is it enviromentally friendly if you have tons of traffic taking back roads and runing through neighborhoods? How would you like it if all of a sudden it costs $40 bucks a month more to drive to work?
manny only knows what he has read...he really has never been out of his house...
I especially like the toll roads in Houston where you pay to get on, and then have to pay to GTF off.
That's what always puzzled me about them. Raising money? Check. Environmentally friendly? Not really. It's one or the other...people aren't just going to quit driving whether they take the toll roads or the back roads.
in italy, when you get on, you just grab a ticket... then you have to pay to get off! sneaky fuggers!I especially like the toll roads in Houston where you pay to get on, and then have to pay to GTF off.
I can see the tire marks running over all the medians now!
You drive down a few more exits and get off the highway for free. Is that not stupid?I can see the tire marks running over all the medians now!
the only way off is thru the pay exits! unless you crashing over barriers....
For someone who loves to run thier mouth about everything, you don't do much research on anything.
Ok, I haven't had a car for 3 freaking months.
There ARE always alternatives. You mean to tell me they build toll roads to places that no other roads go? Show me one place in this damn country that is only accessible by toll roads. ONE.
Why is it that you have tunnel vision on every damn subject we talk about in here? It's like you can't use your brain to think outside of a really ing small box.
Any initative that rasies the costs of driving a vehicle has an enviromentaly friendly impact, all beit indirectly. When the costs of gas, maintaining a vehicle, using a vehicle, or driving in general go up it has several side effects:
1. People drive less.
2. People are more likely to car pool.
3. People are more likely to use mass transit.
Those effects are all greater than some supposed traffic jam in a sub division.
Can you see how all of that can be friendlier to the enviroment?
This is why the EPA places larger penalties in cities such as Houston. Go to Houston and get your state inspection sticker, and you will see that is more than twice as expensive as what you pay in San Antonio because of air quality.
So go ahead and view things through your idiot colored glasses, but don't act as if me not having my own vehicle for 3 months makes me an idiot on the subject.
Oh, and I wont hold my breath waiting for a location only accesible by toll roads.
yes, there are other routes, but not easily accessible... try not using a freeway to get anywhere...it'd take you hours vs minutes...
not always... our gas is way higher than it used to be... and we are still consuming oil and gas at the same pace, if not higher. in the united states, where there is not a good public transportation system in the majority of places you still have to drive a car no matter how expensive gas is..Any initative that rasies the costs of driving a vehicle has an enviromentaly friendly impact, all beit indirectly. When the costs of gas, maintaining a vehicle, using a vehicle, or driving in general go up it has several side effects:
1. People drive less.
2. People are more likely to car pool.
3. People are more likely to use mass transit.
Those effects are all greater than some supposed traffic jam in a sub division.
Can you see how all of that can be friendlier to the enviroment?
Manny, that will never happen.. People drive less.
2. People are more likely to car pool.
3. People are more likely to use mass transit.
Califorina has had carpool lanes for YEARS. You have to have 2 or more people to drive in these lanes and if you get busted driving solo, it's a hefty fine. These lanes were built for the very reasons above and yet CA's freeways are just as congested as ever. California's car regristration and gas prices are sky high and again the freeways are clogged.
People love their cars too much.
Exactly. And 500,000 people going to work in the morning is still 500,000 people going to work, whether they are on the highway or backed up from on the frontage roads to avoid the toll.
For someone who loves to run thier mouth about everything, you don't do much research on anything.
Well isn't that a case of pot calling the kettle black.
Ok, I haven't had a car for 3 freaking months.
There ARE always alternatives. You mean to tell me they build toll roads to places that no other roads go? Show me one place in this damn country that is only accessible by toll roads. ONE.
No I don't mean to tell you that, because I never said that. There are however, bridges that have tolls on them that make alternative routes ridiculous. Those instances may not be ones from around these parts, but they do exsist.
Why is it that you have tunnel vision on every damn subject we talk about in here? It's like you can't use your brain to think outside of a really ing small box.
Any initative that rasies the costs of driving a vehicle has an enviromentaly friendly impact, all beit indirectly. When the costs of gas, maintaining a vehicle, using a vehicle, or driving in general go up it has several side effects:
1. People drive less.
Why would toll roads make people drive less? If they didn't want to pay the toll they would have to drive FARTHER to get around it. You talk about alternates and then don't consider that people will have to drive farther to use them? Maybe people will drive less to avoid the costs. I don't know that there is evidence to support that theory.
2. People are more likely to car pool.
Quite possibly.
3. People are more likely to use mass transit.
What mass transit in SA? VIA? Maybe a little more.
Those effects are all greater than some supposed traffic jam in a sub division.
Those effects are greater unless you live in that subdivision where all that new traffic will be coming through. How do you think heavy traffic flow will effect neighborhood streets?
Can you see how all of that can be friendlier to the enviroment?
I could see that if SA had a state of the art mass transit system and was a city that wasn't spread over such a large geographic area how it might work.
This is why the EPA places larger penalties in cities such as Houston. Go to Houston and get your state inspection sticker, and you will see that is more than twice as expensive as what you pay in San Antonio because of air quality.
The EPA places larger penalties on cities such as Houston because they have toll roads? I know toll roads have nothing to do with those cities having higher costs of gas and registrations, but it's funny that you point out two near by cities that have both higher costs of driving and toll roads.
So go ahead and view things through your idiot colored glasses, but don't act as if me not having my own vehicle for 3 months makes me an idiot on the subject.
Sorry for that dig man!
Oh, and I wont hold my breath waiting for a location only accesible by toll roads.
Why don't you pull your head out of your ass first? Then maybe you can find me the place where I said that toll roads are the only way to get to certain areas? I never said that, so you should have a fun time finding it.
Aren't toll roads privately owned? They are in CA.
Another example of people's love affair with their car. They Bay area has BART. People use BART all the time and I know it does go under the bay. Not sure if it goes to Oakland, Marin County, or both. The only other way into to San Francisco is either the Bay Bridge or the Golden Gate bridge (both toll). During rush hour both bridges are jammed because people choose to drive themselves.
Another reason there are so many damn cars on the roads is because they will put 10 houses on a lot the size of a postage stamp. When I moved to CA in 1982, there was no traffic at all. Everytime I go back, I'm amazed at how many new developments have been built since the last time I was there.
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