Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof

[RandomGuy]

Typical enviro-Nazi stance. I expect little more from socialists like you who want nothing more than to rob from those who actually have done something with their lives...all in the name of "fairness". Bull .

Ignorance? I've forgotten more about the mathematics involved than you'll ever know. you and your Nazi friends.

I see you have him in the crushing grip of reason.

Here is a question for you:

You live downstream from farmer Brown, kinda out in the country.

Beef prices go up and he decides to start maintaining a cattle yard. To help keep the cattle nice and healthy, this yard is located close to the best source of water in the area, the stream that runs through your property.

When it rains, even a little, the runnoff from the yard carries into the stream and turns it into a brown, stinking river of poop, complete with floating cow pies.

Is he doing something wrong?

[RandomGuy]

[travis2]

I see you have him in the crushing grip of reason.

Here is a question for you:

You live downstream from farmer Brown, kinda out in the country.

Beef prices go up and he decides to start maintaining a cattle yard. To help keep the cattle nice and healthy, this yard is located close to the best source of water in the area, the stream that runs through your property.

When it rains, even a little, the runnoff from the yard carries into the stream and turns it into a brown, stinking river of poop, complete with floating cow pies.

Is he doing something wrong?

False analogy/false dilemma. You're supposed to be smarter than that.

[RandomGuy]

Here is a question for you:

You live downstream from farmer Brown, kinda out in the country.

Beef prices go up and he decides to start maintaining a cattle yard. To help keep the cattle nice and healthy, this yard is located close to the best source of water in the area, the stream that runs through your property.

When it rains, even a little, the runnoff from the yard carries into the stream and turns it into a brown, stinking river of poop, complete with floating cow pies.

Is he doing something wrong?

False analogy/false dilemma. You're supposed to be smarter than that.

I didn't say it was an analogy for global warming.

The purpose of the question was to examine some moral implications of pollution in general, as you seem to have a very negative opinion of the environmental movement.

My thoughts on global warming are best typified by the youtube video I posted at the top of this page.

[travis2]

as you seem to have a very negative opinion of the environmental movement.

I don't have a problem with conservation and expending reasonable effort towards "green" activities and such. I have a huge problem with the extremism shown by what is currently known as the "environmental movement". I am also appalled at the perversion of the research and peer review processes perpetrated by the AGW "true believer" crowd. What they are doing is not science...it is propaganda.

Chopper stated my position extremely well...I saw no reason to repeat it.

[tlongII]

Yes, yes I can.

I can even say that such an obviously stilted bit probably hurts the author's cause, because it makes him sound like a 9-11 truther trying to prove that spaces rays destroyed the twin towers.

That kind of language should have no place in a scientific debate. Critical thinking and intellectual honesty are not optional, to be discarded at will.

Tell that to the global warming theorists.

[easjer]

Personally I don't base my opinion on politics at all, but rather on the entire body of research. I'm fairly convinced that man's impact on global temperature changes is incredibly small.

Conversely, I will say that it's very important that we work to preserve our rainforests, conserve our natural resources, and look for cleaner, alternative energy sources. I fully support the idea of protecting the planet, but not based upon the media fear machine that man is somehow responsible for any global warming that may have occured in the last century.

It's already been proven that the earth has undergone similar temperature fluctuations in the last 2,000 years, and one commonly held belief is that the earth is likely headed towards another ice age in the next few thousand years.

Global climate changes...drastic global climate changes...have been occurring far before man's supposed influence on it.

I'm all for going green and protecting the planet, but not due to the scare tactics regaring global warming being used by so many folks.

Exceptionally well said.

The part of the article that peaked my interest in the model was the mention of the Middle Ages Warming Period. It's something my medievalist friend has referred to many time, as the climate in England was similar to that of lower France or Italy at the time, and some apparently good wines were produced in England. It's difficult to argue the affect of man on climate during that period.

[Heath Ledger]

It's so clearly political propaganda and hidden agendas regarding the almighty dollar.
Global warming is bull !