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  1. #26
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    At the price for the length they're paying him, its more than decent - 17 boards is great no matter how you cut it, and to go along with 4 blocks, his defensive presence was definitely felt.

    However, to call the Lakers the league's best defensive team is simple fallacy. One good bigman in the middle and kobe outside cant make up for the other extremely weak links in the chain (I'd say Finley's matador defense is more effective than Odom, Radmanovic, even Sasha since hes mentally weak at the end of games)
    they're the best offensive team, but not even close to the best defensive team.

    top 10 probably though.

    Once Shane comes back the rockets will be #2 again or even #1

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    They probably over paid him a bit but he's not a bust. He's pretty good.

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    these stats are misleading , they played mostly non playoffs teams.
    So true!

    Just stirring the pot of absurdity, How anyone can say someone is a bust or a team is this or that after 4 games is idiotic.

    Drew is only going to get better. Is he going to grab 17 rebounds and 4 blocks a night?... no. Is he a key piece to the D that we didnt have last year? ... time will tell. My money says he will be. One factor that is not even included on stats is altered shots. Drew makes a huge difference there.

    Time will tell...

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    Such a young man being the difference is not going to be good come playoff time.

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    Such a young man being the difference is not going to be good come playoff time.
    This is unfortunately true. It's a risky proposition, but with all young protege's, you'll accept that risk.

    I feel this is why Phil's hammering defense into Bynum right now. He's not giving Bynum shots so that he concentrates only on defense. Bynum should be a defensive specialist come Playoffs if this keeps up.

    Phil will throw Bynum a play once in awhile to reward good work on the defensive end but Phil's trying to make him the best defensively.

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    How anyone can say someone is a bust or a team is this or that after 4 games is idiotic.
    How? 2 words...

    Spurs

    Dynasty

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    The Lakers are the best defensive team in the league right now. Fact.

    Thats mainly due to Andrew Bynum. By the way, Bynum is holding opposing centers to a PER OF 4 the first 4 games of the season. And the Lakers have won two games where they shot below 40%. Thats called defense.

    Fact is, Bynum is a DPOY candidate this season and he just turned 21. Put him on a terrible team andhe would be scoring close to 20 points a game. But on the Lakers, what he does offensively doesn't really matter. Scoring is the least of the Lakers worries.

    Bynum's defensive impact alone is worth the contract he got. And he's only going to get better.

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    Good Lord, will SpursDynasty please reply to 21 Blessings???? It would be like watching Andy Kaufman rile up wrestling fans.

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    The Lakers are the best defensive team in the league right now. Fact.

    Thats mainly due to Andrew Bynum. By the way, Bynum is holding opposing centers to a PER OF 4 the first 4 games of the season. And the Lakers have won two games where they shot below 40%. Thats called defense.

    Fact is, Bynum is a DPOY candidate this season and he just turned 21. Put him on a terrible team andhe would be scoring close to 20 points a game. But on the Lakers, what he does offensively doesn't really matter. Scoring is the least of the Lakers worries.

    Bynum's defensive impact alone is worth the contract he got. And he's only going to get better.
    You make some valid points, and on the topic of this thread about how hes a bust i agree with you.

    But calling yourself the best defensive team in the league after 4 games is a stretch.

    The rockets had some of the worst defense the 1st half of the season and skyrocketed to #2 the 2nd half of the season.

    IMHO i think the Celtics are still the best defensive team in the league

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    hey it's spursdynasty!!
    whose that lil mis creamy-white skin in your sig gif

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    IMHO i think the Celtics are still the best defensive team in the league
    no doubting that. just the sheer intimidation factor of perkins and KG with rondo running wild getting steals is a huge plus. but numbers wise the lakers have been playing the best D in this early season. hopefully it continues because thats what they said they were focusing on this season

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    You make some valid points, and on the topic of this thread about how hes a bust i agree with you.
    DPOY of year numbers and impact is not a bust. The irony of you post is that you're claiming he's bust, yet call me out on saying the Lakers are best defensive team in the league after 4 games, despite the numbers backing up that claim.


    IMHO i think the Celtics are still the best defensive team in the league
    Thats I fine, but I and the statistics disagree. Celtics lost their best perimeter defender in Posey. The Lakers were 5th in defensive rating LAST season according to basketballreference and that was WITHOUT Bynum and Ariza. Now that Bynum is healthy, anchoring the pain as good any center in the league while Ariza is playing stellar perimeter D and getting nearly 3 steals per 36 minutes you now have the recipe for the best defense league.

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    DPOY of year numbers and impact is not a bust. The irony of you post is that you're claiming he's bust, yet call me out on saying the Lakers are best defensive team in the league after 4 games, despite the numbers backing up that claim.




    Thats I fine, but I and the statistics disagree. Celtics lost their best perimeter defender in Posey. The Lakers were 5th in defensive rating LAST season according to basketballreference and that was WITHOUT Bynum and Ariza. Now that Bynum is healthy, anchoring the pain as good any center in the league while Ariza is playing stellar perimeter D and getting nearly 3 steals per 36 minutes you now have the recipe for the best defense league.
    erghh my bad that was a typo , i meant to say how i agreed with you that he wasn't* a bust.

    And im surprised you still think the lakers are the best defensive team in the league. Thats just not the case when you have pretty much the same core with the exception of bynum.

    You lack a great perimeter defender, when teams get hot from 3 pt land, they will eat the lakers up.

    The Lakers aren't even close to the celtics in terms of defense ( i believe their defense is worse this year though). Their interior defense was so solid you would think that it was a 1 on 1 matchup as they would move together so well, RARELY blowing of a defensive assignment. Basically, even if one of their team's pulled off a Sasha Vujacic like that one celtic comeback game, the chances of the opposing player making the shot would still be slim.
    Last edited by sook; 11-08-2008 at 05:49 PM.

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    And im surprised you still think the lakers are the best defensive team in the league. Thats just not the case when you have pretty much the same core with the exception of bynum.

    .

    do i agree that the lakers are the best defensive team in the league? no. i think its still boston. but why do you play defense? to limit the other teams scoring right? so the team that gives up the fewest amount of points is arguably the best defensive team in the league correct? of thats the case, so far this year the lakers ARE the best defensive team in the league. 85 points per game.

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortab...able1.html#top

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    do i agree that the lakers are the best defensive team in the league? no. i think its still boston. but why do you play defense? to limit the other teams scoring right? so the team that gives up the fewest amount of points is arguably the best defensive team in the league correct? of thats the case, so far this year the lakers ARE the best defensive team in the league. 85 points per game.

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortab...able1.html#top
    YOU CAN'T BASE THAT OFF OF 4 GAMES LOL.

    Have you ever taken a stats class? The larger the sample size the closer it gets to the actual mean.

    Last season I can fersure tell you that the rockets who had the close to the worst defense in the league the first 3 months (sub.500) weren't even close to that at the end, they were #2.

    You can't base the success you are going to have in an 82 game season off of your first 4 games, which becomes even more evident because of the schedule the NBA presents.

    That being said, the Lakers look great Defensively, and even better than the rockets without Battier. Battier was probably one of the few who has the ability to somewhat contain Kobe, so i will give you guys the W on sunday
    Last edited by sook; 11-08-2008 at 07:40 PM.

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    YOU CAN'T BASE THAT OFF OF 4 GAMES LOL.

    Have you ever taken a stats class? The larger the sample size the closer it gets to the actual mean.
    do i agree that the lakers are the best defensive team in the league? no. i think its still boston. but why do you play defense? to limit the other teams scoring right? so the team that gives up the fewest amount of points is arguably the best defensive team in the league correct? of thats the case, so far this year the lakers ARE the best defensive team in the league. 85 points per game.

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortab...able1.html#top
    4 games or 82 games. call me crazy but i think so far this year means the games played until this point no?

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    That being said, the Lakers look great Defensively, and even better than the rockets without Battier. Battier was probably one of the few who has the ability to somewhat contain Kobe, so i will give you guys the W on sunday

    no no dont say that. your just setting us up for a "we beat u without shane!" its gonna be a good game despite what some laker trolls on here think

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    To Call the Lakers #1 defense @ this point is madd premature.

    But they can definitely be up there - if they continue to do what they're doing

    Lol @ Bynum being a bust 4 games in the season, esp. when these numbers are pretty good for the average center in our current NBA.

    If he's a bust now, I guess you Spur fans might as well start thinking towards the lottery.


    Anyways BIG GAME Tomorrow!

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