Article: Tony Parker: 3rd Best PG in basketball.

[Fermixalot]

Wow, TiMVP, that is an incredible stat.

Tony has steadily improved every year he's been with us. Chip's work with him has been nothing less that remarkable as Tony's jump shot has become money. Combine that with his fearlessness at the rim, his will to win (as evidenced against the Wolves and other countless occassions) and his facilitator skills you've got a PG for the ages.

His "downfall" in the press is the same as Tim, he just goes out there and does his job. Doesn't need to talk about it, he just goes out there, shreds your defense and wins championships. But sadly, that's not what the media wants to report, they want to report the alley-oops and no look passes of PGs that Tony has consistently beaten in the playoffs.

Go Spurs!

[timvp]

As far as ranking point guards, I don't really care. Point guard stats depend so much on the offense that it's the one position that is almost impossible to rank. Looking at stats, you'd have to say Steve Nash is better than Tony Parker. But then watch how Parker has destroyed Nash over the years and that argument loses water.

You can make pretty convincing arguments that CP3, Deron Williams, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd and a healthy Gilbert Arenas are better than Parker. But honestly, that doesn't matter at all. I'll gladly take Parker on the Spurs with no complaints whatsoever.

[Brazil]

I hope that TP will have a good game tonight if not the Trade Parker threads will prosper again.

[romain.star]

I hope that TP will have a bad game tonight if not the Parker is the best player in the History of the game threads will prosper again.

[50 cent]

We never have to worry about Tony Parker becoming overrated because Spurs fans are the first in line to take a hatchet to his accomplishments. Amazing.

Gotta love Spurs fans.

It really is mind blowing. Spurs fans are idiots.

[duncan228]

I hope that TP will have a good game tonight if not the Trade Parker threads will prosper again.

Get used to it. There are 'Fire Pop' and 'Trade Tim/Manu/Tony' threads after pretty much every loss all season.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

It's all about Clutch -- the last 2 years, Tony has blatantly demonstrated that he is money in "Winning Time." Growing up in the NBA with Tim and Manu had to help, but the 2003 finals (which were bad but weren't so disastrous as some remember) was a crucible for him.

He can, through sheer force of will, lead his team to victories they didn't earn. He can do it when it is most important not to lose, in the biggest games, against the toughest opponents.

And he can do it in a big-time way with points, and1s, jumpers, threes, assists, stops, you name it.


One could not honestly say that about paul or d. williams. Not yet, anyway. Nut punching disappearing acts, in game fighting, no leadership --
and lots of assists.........

Their stats might be better for all eternity
but it's Clutch Time that matters.

[Brazil]

Get used to it. There are 'Fire Pop' and 'Trade Tim/Manu/Tony' threads after pretty much every loss all season.

I get the picture but I've never seen a Trade Tim Duncan thread.

[polandprzem]

I get the picture but I've never seen a Trade Tim Duncan thread.

You've been here too short.

I could not imagine spurs without TP right now. I know I was not happy with his passing and court vision as a point guard. But a value getting into the lane and slashing to the basket makes him priceless as a PG these days.
I surely can say that Paul is better PG then TP - not onlt stats but a creation of a team, choosing the best ways to score either to hit shot or makes a perfect pass which translates into assissts.

[duncan228]

I get the picture but I've never seen a Trade Tim Duncan thread.

There have been some that think we should trade him while he's still got some high value. I'm sure if you search you'll find them.

If the Spurs hit a rough patch anything goes on ST.

[jcrod]

There have been some that think we should trade him while he's still got some high value. I'm sure if you search you'll find them.

If the Spurs hit a rough patch anything goes on ST.

Yeah, but overall Tony gets all the blame and hatred threads. He can do nothing right. Manu is the savior and TD is pretty quite nowadays.

Unknowledge Spurs fans are the worst. I don't even open half the threads here anymore, because they're idiotic.

[jcrod]

Nice find btw timvp, love that stat.

[polandprzem]

What I learned here at the ST is being selective

[CubanMustGo]

A point guard is supposed to dish out assists; Parker might average 25-27 points a game but winning-wise its very hard for a team to live with a score-first PG. That's what separates him from Paul or Williams.

Oh?

SA records since TP joined the ball club:

01-02 58-24
02-03 60-22 NBA Champions
03-04 57-25
04-05 59-23 NBA Champions
05-06 63-19
06-07 58-24 NBA Champions
07-08 56-26
08-09 01-03

TOTAL 412-166 (.713) + 3 NBA Championships

Yeah, you're right, it's hard.

[Ghost Writer]

Tony Parker has turned out to be a lot better than I had imagined back in the Chris Whitney days.

My gripe is still that he is not and never will be the traditional playmaker of the Paul, Kidd, Nash, D. Williams mold.

But on the Spurs, I guess he doesn't have to be.

But if you notice, Parker is setting up teammates more.

another thing is that it's easier to get assists when you have talented finishers on your team.


Parker is expected to carry much of the scoring burden.



It's hard to evaluate PGs on an individual basis, because the team and system they play in dictates a lot.

[honestfool84]

timvp just schooled anyone who wants a pass-first-tony.

[Ghost Writer]

Pass to who?

[himat]

5th best. He is starting to get rated too high.

CP3
Deron Williams
Nash/Billups (depending on what you think defines a good PG)
Tony Parker
Baron Davis

Tony Parker isn't even the best guard you have on the team. Manu is waaay better.

[diego]

tony doesnt get that press because he isnt as flashy as the other guys- no dunks, few 3s, mostly just layups and floaters, which for some reason arent appreciated despite their high difficulty level

i used to criticize parker, but he has improved so much in the last 5 years that i have nothing but good things to say about him. His shooting, passing, decision making and now leadership have all improved tremendously. I do worry that if he loses speed he lacks the height to still be effective, but maybe he has a little iverson in him, its too early to tell.

[m33p0]

I'm not quoting for disagreeing on your post or anything but when I read what I quoted I had the image of pop going crimson like he would be about to kill somebody that popped in my mind...

rod strickland?

[mVp]

Tony Parker isn't even the best guard you have on the team. Manu is waaay better.

Manu is a much better all around player than TP, Manu can do just about anything, maybe Tony relies to much on his speed, but he's younger than Manu, and he's just entering his prime, so he has time to improve on his game, like he's doing now.

[anakha]

Well, now the Parker bashers can see what not having a supposed 'PG who doesn't pass' on the team means for the Spurs...

[Cry Havoc]

Damnit.

[spursfan09]

Well, now the Parker bashers can see what not having a supposed 'PG who doesn't pass' on the team means for the Spurs...

QFT.

Hopefully he won't be out too long.