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    Oh, I forgot. You have a simple mind. You can read the 20 items, and not realize they are sopprting Independance as "States Rights." Not necessarily as in succession.

    They just want that valid vote. Do you think they think the vote would go otherwise than to be part of the USA? If so. Think again. I see it as a matter of principle.

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    The Palin Hoax
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    So the Alaska Independence Party's goal is to be able to vote for independence.

    I can see your confusion.

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    So the Alaska Independence Party's goal is to be able to vote for independence.

    I can see your confusion.
    And I see yours. You don't know what 'principles' are.

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    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE

    Q: What is the Alaskan Independence Party?

    A: An Alaskan political party whose members advocate a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority; from advocacy for state's rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska.

    Q: Aren't most Alaskan Independence Party members a bunch of radicals and Kooks?

    A: The party has its share of individualists, in the grand Alaskan tradition. No longer a fringe party, the A.I.P. is a viable third party with a serious mission and qualified candidates for elected offices.

    Q: If Alaska became independent, wouldn't we lose a lot of federal money?

    A: No. If Alaska returned to territorial status, most federal money would still be available. If Alaska were to attain complete independence, its revenues from oil and other natural resources would far exceed the amounts currently received from the federal government, at our current level of resource utilization.

    Q: If Alaska were independent, what would happen to my social security check, federal pension, or military retirement?

    A: People receive these checks around the world, regardless of their place of residence. In most cases eligibility for such checks would not be affected by Alaskan independence.

    Q: If Alaska became independent, would U.S. military bases leave?

    A: The strategic location of Alaska would indicate that it would serve U.S. interests to maintain a presence in Alaska. The military are good neighbors. There would be no compelling reason for the military to leave Alaska.

    Q: Didn't we vote for statehood already?

    A: The vote for statehood was invalid because the people were not presented with the range of options available to them. Further, the federal government has since breached the contract for statehood on numerous occasions in over a dozen serious and substantial instances.

    Q: Under independence, what would happen to all the federal controls and regulations?

    A: We believe that controls should be exerted by the lowest possible governmental unit. The people of Alaska can better decide what controls need to be in place than can bureaucrats in Washington. Specific local regulation might be either more or less restrictive than current federal regulation. The point is that it will be our regulation, not Washington's.

    Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?

    A: Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline.

    Q: What will happen to major U.S. stores such as Sears, Safeway, and McDonald's?

    A: Any company which found it profitable to sell in Alaska would remain. Without the constraints of the deteriorating U.S. economy, and with the enormous wealth of Alaska, international as well as local companies will prosper.

    http://www.akip.org/faqs.html

    Yeah, they don't believe in Alaskan independence at all.

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    QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE

    Q: What is the Alaskan Independence Party?

    A: An Alaskan political party whose members advocate a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority; from advocacy for state's rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska.
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    http://www.akip.org/faqs.html

    Yeah, they don't believe in Alaskan independence at all.
    An Alaskan political party whose members advocate a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority; from advocacy for state's rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska.
    You fool. You even quote something that states members think differently, yet stick to a single point? They do not advocate separation as a group. They include it is a fix. All the themes they propose are to increase STATES RIGHTS!

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    Chump, you have to take the party as a whole. Not one snippet to define it in your biggoted image of them.

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    GOAL

    Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.

    The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were en led to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

    1) Remain a Territory.
    2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
    3) Accept Commonwealth status.
    4) Become a State.

    The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, that Alaskans achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, and promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.

    http://www.akip.org/goal.html

    This is their ultimate goal, spelled out so even the stupidest escalating whiny internets tough guy could understand it.

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    Really, this party worked with the terrorist government of the Islamic Republic of Iran to try to raise a stink at the UN about Alaskan independence.

    What is your defense for that, WC?

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    The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, that Alaskans achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, and promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.

    "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned ins utions."

    "... the fires of are glaciers compared to my hate for the American Government, and I won't be buried under their damn flag..."


    - Joe Vogler

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    Really, this party worked with the terrorist government of the Islamic Republic of Iran to try to raise a stink at the UN about Alaskan independence.

    What is your defense for that, WC?
    Source?

    Link?

    Credibility?

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    GOAL

    Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.

    The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were en led to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

    1) Remain a Territory.
    2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
    3) Accept Commonwealth status.
    4) Become a State.

    The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, that Alaskans achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, and promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.

    http://www.akip.org/goal.html

    This is their ultimate goal, spelled out so even the stupidest escalating whiny internets tough guy could understand it.
    Please take off those lenses of biggoty from once. They do not say the goal is separation.

    "Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives."

    They also want a proper vote if to be a state that was not given to them in 1958. So what. Demading the choice is not the same as demanding a specific coice of the four options.

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    Source?

    Link?

    Credibility?
    Why should I have to reveal my methodology to such an obvious idiot such as yourself? I said it, now your job is to suck on it.

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    Please take off those lenses of biggoty from once. They do not say the goal is separation.

    "Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives."


    Nice selective bolding.

    How about just bolding without skipping around?

    The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were en led to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

    1) Remain a Territory.
    2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
    3) Accept Commonwealth status.
    4) Become a State.



    That's their GOAL.

    They say it's their GOAL.

    It's on a web page named GOAL.

    You say it isn't their GOAL after reading and posting their GOAL.

    Is this some kind of an act?

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    The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were en led to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

    1) Remain a Territory.
    2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
    3) Accept Commonwealth status.
    4) Become a State.

    [/B]

    That's their GOAL.

    They say it's their GOAL.

    It's on a web page named GOAL.

    You say it isn't their GOAL after reading and posting their GOAL.

    Is this some kind of an act?
    Yep, they want to reaffirm statehood status because they never had a proper vote in 1958.

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    Hey, here's the text of a ballot initiative some folks tried to put before Alaskan voters last year:

    AN INITIATIVE REQUIRING THE STATE OF ALASKA TO VOTE ON
    SEEKING CHANGES IN EXISTING LAW AND CONS UTIONAL
    PROVISIONS TO AUTHORIZE ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE.
    BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ALASKA:
    (1) At the next regular election, the following question shall be presented to the voters of
    the State of Alaska for approval or rejection:
    Shall the State of Alaska seek changes in existing law and Cons utional provisions to
    authorize it to obtain independence from the United States of America?
    (2) If this question is not answered affirmatively when this question is presented to the
    voters, then this question shall be placed before the voters of Alaska every ten years thereafter.
    (3) The provisions of this Act are independent and severable, and if any provision of this
    Act, or the applicability of any provision to any person or cir stance, shall be held to be
    invalid by a court of competent jurisdiction, the remainder of this Act shall not be affected and
    shall be given effect to the fullest extent practicable.
    http://www.elections.alaska.gov/pe ions/07akin.pdf

    Certainly the AIP wouldn't bother with something like this, because Wild Cobra said it wasn't their goal.

    I have no idea why the current chair of the AIP would have put her name as a sponsor of the pe ion for the initiative. It must be some kind of typo, or more likely a liberal scheme to go back in time and indirectly impugn Palin over the time-space continuum.

    http://www.elections.alaska.gov/pe ions/status.php

    My God man! It's a vast left-wing conspiracy.

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    Yep, they want to reaffirm statehood status because they never had a proper vote in 1958.
    Yes, that is why they named themselves the Alaska Reaffirmation of Existing Statehood Status That We Have Already Had For Fifty Years Party (AROESSTWHAHFFYP). The liberals who control the internets always change it to Independence to keep them down!

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    Yes, that is why they named themselves the Alaska Reaffirmation of Existing Statehood Status That We Have Already Had For Fifty Years Party (AROESSTWHAHFFYP). The liberals who control the internets always change it to Independence to keep them down!
    So by your reasoning, all political parties that have "Independant" in their name wants to sucede. Right?

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    So by your reasoning, all political parties that have "Independant" in their name wants to sucede. Right?
    Just the ones with leaders and websites that refer to an independent Alaska nonstop and attempt to pass legislation to that end. Ones that have leaders that say they do not consider themselves Americans. Ones that sought out the help of Iran to further their cause in the General Assembly of the UN.

    Little things like that tip me off.

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    Yep, they want to reaffirm statehood status because they never had a proper vote in 1958.
    And as a strict interpreter of the US Cons ution, you of course know that there is no such thing as a proper vote for statehood except by Congress -- which happened in 1958.

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    Hey, here's the text of a ballot initiative some folks tried to put before Alaskan voters last year:
    Since when is "Some Folks" the AIP?

    Do you ever do proper research?

    First of all, where does it say that state initiative was sponsored by the Alaska Independent Pary. It’s sponsor was Scott A. Kohlhaas, who is a member of the Alaska Libertarian Party. You can verify this by doing a reverse phone number search through 411.com. The pe ion contact number is his. If you look here you will see he ran as a libertarian in the 2004 Alaska senate race. One of the opponents were Jerry Sanders, from the Alaska Independent Party.

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    Since when is "Some Folks" the AIP?

    Do you ever do proper research?

    First of all, where does it say that state initiative was sponsored by the Alaska Independent Pary. It’s sponsor was Scott A. Kohlhaas, who is a member of the Alaska Libertarian Party. You can verify this by doing a reverse phone number search through 411.com. The pe ion contact number is his. If you look here you will see he ran as a libertarian in the 2004 Alaska senate race. One of the opponents were [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sanders]Jerry Sanders, from the Alaska Independent Party.
    Nice of you to completely ignore the name right after Kohlhaas.

    Lynette

    Clark

    Chair

    of

    the

    Alaskan

    Independence

    Party

    I put each word on its own line so you might be able to comprehend them.

    Why didn't you look her up?

    Could it be because you're an idiot or a liar?

    Which is it?

    More than likely you are both.

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    "I don't identify myself as an American."

    -- Wild Cobra's new hero, Lynette Clark

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    It also didn't say whether Africa is a continent or a country. I need to know for a bet.
    its a country...no wait...a continent....wait, i thought a country was a continent
    LOL at anyone who actually BELIEVED Palin didn't know Africa was a continent.
    wasnt there a news agency or maybe obama camp that attacked here for not explaining in detail what the VP deos to a classroom of like 8 year olds? claimed she didnt even know what the VP does. cheney probably still doesnt even know what he is supposed to do.

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    Oh, Wild Cobra, just in case you neglect to research the third sponsor Linda Winkelman is a former chair and treasurer of the AIP.

    You're welcome.

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