Fitch was cut but it's all good now

[Evan]

Thiago Alves is getting cut too?

Nobody is or got cut. This all got taken care of.

[dallaskd]

Nobody is or got cut. This all got taken care of.

I didnt even read the article. What was Dana's beef?

[Evan]

I didnt even read the article. What was Dana's beef?

Here is what I think happened from what we know so far.

We will never know for sure the entire story.

Something happened with a contract for his likeness rights and Fitch didn't like it even though his managing team did. Which is his right.

Fitch turned is down but somehow it was communicated very poorly and Dana went balistic.

Lorenzo stepped in and everything got ironed out.

[Evan]

Its amazing how fast this happened and went away. This is due to the closeness we still have to these fighters and how they aren't so insulated from the fans/media like the rest of the sports. I wonder how often this happens in other sports....probably daily before the trade deadline and all during the off season.

[dbreiden83080]

Fitch still stands by his assertion that he didn’t appreciate the way Dana White treated the fighter when attempting to negotiate a deal for video game licensing.

That is great that this all worked out, losing Fitch over this would have been ridiculous, i hope all is good and this is really my only major issue with Dana. The man is pure and simple a bully. Yes it is great all the man has done for MMA but you can't pull stunts like this now that the UFC is in the public eye so much, because Dana embarassed himself and the UFC the last 2 days.. If the UFC was mainstream like the NBA or NFL, those off the wall uncalled for remarks would have been on ESPN all day long.. That is not good for the UFC or MMA..

[djohn14]

That is great that this all worked out, losing Fitch over this would have been ridiculous, i hope all is good and this is really my only major issue with Dana. The man is pure and simple a bully. Yes it is great all the man has done for MMA but you can't pull stunts like this now that the UFC is in the public eye so much, because Dana embarassed himself and the UFC the last 2 days.. If the UFC was mainstream like the NBA or NFL, those off the wall uncalled for remarks would have been on ESPN all day long.. That is not good for the UFC or MMA..

Losing Fitch over this would be bad, but Cain Velasquez...now thats ridiculous!

[Evan]

Its over and done with in less than 24 hours....shows how minor the problem really was.

IMO losing Cain would have been worse than Arlovski and Fitch. Cain is a premier blue chip.

Arlovski...I understand. They aren't going to overpay like the oakland raiders so at least there is a reason for it. Fitch...sucks bad but lets not forget how little people really think of him...just dig up some old articles from his fight with GSP.

Cain is a top top top up&comer. The entire future of MMA HW's revolve around Cain, Carwin and Lesnar.

Besides...I like djohn...wouldn't want the dude to kill himself!

jeez thats kind of a dark emoticon...

[dbreiden83080]

Can we change the thread le to

"Fitch was cut but it's all good now"

[dbreiden83080]

Awesome Evan

[djohn14]

Its over and done with in less than 24 hours....shows how minor the problem really was.

IMO losing Cain would have been worse than Arlovski and Fitch. Cain is a premier blue chip.

Arlovski...I understand. They aren't going to overpay like the oakland raiders so at least there is a reason for it. Fitch...sucks bad but lets not forget how little people really think of him...just dig up some old articles from his fight with GSP.

Cain is a top top top up&comer. The entire future of MMA HW's revolve around Cain, Carwin and Lesnar.

Besides...I like djohn...wouldn't want the dude to kill himself!

jeez thats kind of a dark emoticon...

Haha, thanks Evan.

[Evan]

welcome guys!

[Evan]

All of our guys signed off on [on the exclusive videogame-rights agreement]," Lambert said. "I don't really think they were giving that much up, anyways. I didn't really see much of a demand for a videogame deal outside of the UFC. So I didn't think I was doing a disservice to my guys in recommending that they sign the deal. [The UFC] takes care of our guys in more ways than one. So, no problems on our end."

ATT houses several of the UFC's elite-level fighters, including Thiago Alves, Thiago Silva, Wilson Gouveia and Roan Carneiro, among others. Lambert said he recommended his fighters sign the agreement several weeks ago without concern that the deal would prove a negative for his camp.

"I didn't think it was an unreasonable request for them, and we signed off on it," Lambert said. "Other times you have to pick the battle. If you're in for a new contract and you've got to fight for your guy to get the best deal, you've got fight for the best deal possible. But they understand that. [The UFC] has always been reasonable with us, and they asked for a favor on that one. Again, we have no issues on it."

Lambert said he wasted little time in agreeing to the change.

"Dana's ... done a lot for this sport," Lambert said. "They've always treated us right. He asks a favor, (and) you've got to pick your battles. That wasn't a battle we chose to fight. All of our guys agreed." ...


"There was a merchandise deal that got a little bit of press a while back," Lambert said. "And basically when I read the merchandising agreement that they had asked guys to sign in the past, it was a non-exclusive merchandise deal whereby [UFC officials] were going to use their contacts and get merchandising deals for guys. And they were going to give a pretty generous percentage to the fighter on a non-exclusive basis.

"So if [the UFC] had a deal with XYZ distributor where they were going to sell a Thiago Alves shirt, they were going to pay Thiago a percentage of it. But if Thiago got his own deal with somebody else for a shirt deal, it didn't exclude him from doing so. I thought that was a good deal for the fighters as well." ...


"This deal was different," Lambert said. "It was the videogame, and it was exclusive. It's going to forbid you from doing any other type of [videogame] deals without the UFC saying, 'It's OK.' But it's not like those deals are really out there to be had anyway right now. The UFC had in their standard agreement whereby they had the right to put you in a videogame without any compensation due to you anyway. They were just simply saying we need it to be exclusive.

"I didn't think it was really giving up that much for the fighter given the other opportunities they get and the promotion that it would be for you to be on the game. I think it's going to help you anyway. So I think there may be some confusion out there if guys think the UFC was asking them to sign away their lives with respect to all merchandising. That's just a mistake. That's not what it said." ...

Lambert insisted that if the UFC had presented an agreement that would have negatively impacted his fighters, he never would have encouraged those affected to sign the deal.

"If [White] was asking me to do something that would hurt my guys and maybe taken some serious money out of somebody's pocket, I probably would have had to fight him on it," Lambert said. "But that's not really the situation that's out there, and I don't see it coming out there any time soon. If he had asked us to sign this deal that any merchandising is exclusive to the UFC -- and you don't get anything for it -- I probably would have said, 'No. It's not reasonable.' But I didn't think this was anything along those lines. He just asked us to do it, and we said, 'Yes.' No threats, no consequences. He asked a favor and we said, 'OK.'" ...

"I don't want to sound like a company shill, and I don't think I am," Lambert said. "I think I've always done right by our guys and they've always done right by us. But I think every time I read something, it always makes the UFC out and Dana out to be the evil empire. They think that they don't take care of the fighters and they don't look out for the fighters' best interests -- that they're only looking out for the company. I think that couldn't be any farther from the truth.

"I think they've always taken care of the guys, at least my guys. In my experience with them, I think they're looking out for the betterment of the sport. I think they've done a tremendous amount for the sport. And to allow the fighters and the managers and the trainers and the agents and even your local John's Karate Academy to do so much more in this sport and with their lives and their moneymaking ability than many people ever thought possible. I think before people just cast judgment and say that they're the bad guys, they ought to check out all the facts. In this case I didn't feel like they were asking anything unreasonable whatsoever."

I'm issuing a homework assignment...everyone read this^^^^^^^^^

[djohn14]

Ok Evan, I attempted to read it...This quote kinda confuses me...


"It was the videogame, and it was exclusive. It's going to forbid you from doing any other type of [videogame] deals without the UFC saying, 'It's OK.'


So is he saying if Thiago Alves per say signed on to replace Tom Brady and be the Patriots new QB, or if he decided to take Pujols' spot on the Cardinals, or if he decided he wanted to take Tony Parkers' spot on the Spurs and play PG, he couldnt be in a videogame? I dont understand what other games any fighter would want/get offered to be in.

[Evan]

Ok Evan, I attempted to read it...This quote kinda confuses me...


"It was the videogame, and it was exclusive. It's going to forbid you from doing any other type of [videogame] deals without the UFC saying, 'It's OK.'


So is he saying if Thiago Alves per say signed on to replace Tom Brady and be the Patriots new QB, or if he decided to take Pujols' spot on the Cardinals, or if he decided he wanted to take Tony Parkers' spot on the Spurs and play PG, he couldnt be in a videogame? I dont understand what other games any fighter would want/get offered to be in.

- in context -

What he is saying is contrary to popular internet forum/blog belief the UFC doesn't make you sign a bunch of exclusive contracts for merchandising but in this case the UFC was asking for one as an independent stand alone contract for video game likeness that didn't affect any other merchandising or fight contracts.

They were telling him...this video game contact is exclusive so if you ever leave the UFC and another MMA company makes a video game, you can't do it unless we give the green light.

[oligarchy]

What he is saying is contrary to popular internet forum/blog belief the UFC doesn't make you sign a bunch of exclusive contracts for merchandising but in this case the UFC was asking for one as an independent stand alone contract for video game likeness that didn't affect any other merchandising or fight contracts.

They were telling him...this video game contact is exclusive so if you ever leave the UFC and another MMA company makes a video game, you can't do it unless we give the green light.

Good summary. It's funny how everyone "knows" how these contracts are written, but you see that they are apparently being well compensated for it and even give non-exclusive rights.

Did anyone actually catch the pay for Fitch? Dana said he got 169,000 for 87. His reported salary you ask? 30,000. That's 139,000 dollar difference. Not much of a difference.

Ok Evan, I attempted to read it...This quote kinda confuses me...


"It was the videogame, and it was exclusive. It's going to forbid you from doing any other type of [videogame] deals without the UFC saying, 'It's OK.'


So is he saying if Thiago Alves per say signed on to replace Tom Brady and be the Patriots new QB, or if he decided to take Pujols' spot on the Cardinals, or if he decided he wanted to take Tony Parkers' spot on the Spurs and play PG, he couldnt be in a videogame? I dont understand what other games any fighter would want/get offered to be in.

Not trying to be a nazi, but the phrase is actually "per se" as opposed to "per say" -- meaning "by itself."

[angelbelow]

wow...

[polandprzem]

hmm so not definite?


Dana should realize something, because it seems like he wants to invent new rules in business. Like he thinks some fighters are obligated to d a certain thing only because they ow to the organization called UFC.

[Evan]

hmm so not definite?

It is definite now everything got worked out...this is a minor issue that got blown way out of proportion. It was an entire day of wasted arguing.

[djohn14]

Good summary. It's funny how everyone "knows" how these contracts are written, but you see that they are apparently being well compensated for it and even give non-exclusive rights.

Did anyone actually catch the pay for Fitch? Dana said he got 169,000 for 87. His reported salary you ask? 30,000. That's 139,000 dollar difference. Not much of a difference.



Not trying to be a nazi, but the phrase is actually "per se" as opposed to "per say" -- meaning "by itself."

Its cool...I think I knew that at some time lol.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Anyone see Fitch on mythbusters?

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

that was a close one

[Stringer_Bell]

Velasquez, one of the sport's rising stars, clearly is on the outs with White. White said Zinkin wanted standard language that is part of every UFC fighter's contract removed from Velasquez's deal.

"Can you believe that?" White said. "Chuck Liddell has that language in his contract. Randy Couture has it. Anderson Silva has it. And Cain [expletive] Velasquez, with two [expletive] fights, wants us to change it for him? That's [expletive] nuts. He can get the [expletive] out.

Oh my, a lot can change in 2 years

[The TroutBum]

I failed to read the date on the OP. , I was so excited...

I had a gif already planned for CubanSucks and everything. /sob

AKA.

[djohn14]

GOD...please dont cut Cain Velasquez!!!

Told ya so

[CubanSucks]

I failed to read the date on the OP. , I was so excited...

I had a gif already planned for CubanSucks and everything. /sob

AKA.

good to know I'm on your mind. JON FITCH FTW!