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There were reports all over the place that had Hill gotten to the Celtics at the end of the first, they were picking him.
So you think that the Celts wanted another Rondo clone? Interesting...
I wouldn't have wanted Chalmers anyways...
There were reports all over the place that had Hill gotten to the Celtics at the end of the first, they were picking him.
Maybe... you never know.
There were a lot of rumors going around about everyone.
Like I said, I am happy with G. Hill, but I would have been curious how the Spurs would have responded early this year if they had the combo of M. Taylor and D. Arthur instead of G. Hill. I think Arthur doomed himself with this health reports and probably had rumors going around about him being a weedhead. Stupid is what stupid does...
Off the subject, I wonder why the Spurs weren't interested in their own product in M. Taylor?
I think it goes equally all around, RC and Pop, along with the staff, scouting etc. Pop's hand in this off season cannot be ignored.
Hill was Pop's pick. He scouted him in the predraft camps. He scouted him when the Spurs brought in groups of point guards to work out. And he obviously made the final call to draft him.Does RC get a pat on the back for picking GHill?
RC's job was to do the background check to see if he would fit in with the team concept.
He isn't a small forward either. Maybe someday.
What does that mean? Mike Taylor played for Idaho last season.Off the subject, I wonder why the Spurs weren't interested in their own product in M. Taylor?
oops.
i guess you're right.
i just wanted to know if people thought different of the FO i guess, after this pick.
but i think it would be more appropriate to ask this after we've won our fifth.
So basically, we should promote Pop back to GM then and downsize RC?
make RC head coach..
The Lakers were heavily interested in Hill and were considering doing a trade to move up in the draft to get him.
The spurs should have taken Arthur and made a trade to get Hill at a later pick.
There's a lot of season left.
Hill would have been gone by then. They have to get him at their pick of 26.
I agree let's give RC & Pop credit. They have stuck with their system and found the players over the years to build around TD. Three championships in the last six years is great return on that investment.
That's all you can ask for as a fan of a team. To have the FO build as program around a superstar and that superstar is willing to work with that FO.
We have so much to be thankful as Spurs fans in the Golden Age of the franchise. And RC & Pop are a part of it.
we do have so much to be thankful for.
now i hope there won't be any more 'fire Pop/RC' threads the rest of the season..
Oops, for some reason, I thought he played for San Antonio's D-League team. My bad...
He gets a hand job. Lube up those mitts Spurs fans.
Another thing to remember: The results of the 3 draft picks are not yet final. If Hairston makes the team next year, and Gist comes back from Italy and also makes the team, that'll be 3 players from the draft, none of them even remotely near the lottery, that turned out to be nba level players.
mrs purs hasn't been banned yet so don't count on it.
What's this fascination with Hairston that some posters have? He won't be back just like all the other failed second round SFs drafted by the Spurs. There is no need to latch yourselves onto every SF that comes through camp because we have seen what happens. A second rounder sometimes... is just a second rounder in talent. I am still shocked that Tolliver made the team, but I guess it's like Survivor, he wasn't the very worse... so he gets to stay on the island for a little while longer.
Well, if he turns out to have Beno's mental make-up (looks unlikely at this point), he could quite possibly fade away.
But this much is clear - he's a much better NBA talent than most teams realized, otherwise he wouldn't have lasted to 26.
If you re-drafted today, he'd likely go much much higher.
I wouldn't call it a fascination, but rather a belief that he has a decent all-around game and could develop into an nba player. He is already being named by some scouts as a candidate for an early D-league call up. We'll see.
Finding late first round and second round draft picks is a lot like playing poker, or playing the stock market-- even the best, most focused, and most informed players are not going to win every time. But the difference between good talent evaluation and not-so-good talent evaluation will be much easier to see when we step back and look at performance over a certain period of time. Many Spur fans may be tired of hearing about what amazing picks Tony and Manu were, but let's not forget that there are teams out there that have never struck gold with a late first round or second round pick, while the Spurs have found two all-stars. Manu is, in my opinion, the single best second round player in the NBA. That is a pretty incredible accomplishment. Think of all the scouts, GMs, presidents, coaches, assistant coaches, advisors, players, ex-players, and owners that exist in the NBA, and consider how hard they've worked to find players in the draft, and from this very large and very talented pool of decision-making people over the past decade, the Spurs managed to emerge with the single best second round pick.... that is no small accomplishment. And now it appears that George Hill will be yet another winner. I have no problem with fans disagreeing over single and specific moves.... but when people come on to spurstalk and say things like Pop doesn't know what he's doing or RC is totally clueless I think it just shows a complete disregard and total lack of understanding for the monumental success that they've both been instrumental in engineering for a decade, a success all the more magnificent because it has been accomplished in a small market/small revenue environment with an owner who can't possibly hope to outspend his rivals in NY, LA, Chicago, or Dallas.
Don't let a couple of solid games for Arthur fool you-
Offensively - Arthur is only shooting 39% and scoring 6 ppg (that's not "decent"). He's had a bad habit ever since his KU days of missing some chippies. He doesn't have the range to help spread the floor that the Spurs require out of a SF.
Defensively - He's a tweener in every sense of the word. He's not big enough to hold up against the better posts in the league. And he's not quick enough to hang with most wings.
Rebounding - His rebounding rate is quite good, although it's dropped off during the past month. After totaling double digit rebounds in his first two games, he is averaging just 5 rpg since (and only 1 double digit rebound game in that span).
I'd much rather have the rights to Gist in Europe than Arthur on the roster right now. Even if the Spurs had taken Arthur, he'd almost certainly be in Austin.
Last edited by K-State Spur; 11-28-2008 at 12:12 PM.
I would have given most the blame to RC is Hill didn't work out, so I have to give him most of the credit. That's the outsider perspective. Eventhough, according to Timvp, Hill was Pop's pick.
Trying to sign Pargo and waiting to sign Hill were mysterious actions on the part of the FO. I thought it showed they didn't have complete confidence with Hill after Summer League. Luckily, they kept him (for whatever reason) and things worked out.
I remember someone saying this, but I don't remember the reports being all over the place. There is a strong chance it's true. But we'll never know for sure.
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