Spurs went from potentially adding two bigs this offseason, to no bigs to date. There is an obvious deficiency on the frontline. Even you should be able to see that. You're the biggest goddamn FO defender on here. Open your eyes.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 12-03-2008 at 01:16 PM.
I am still trying to figure out how all these other teams have wound up with decent backup bigs over the past several seasons and we are still stuck with Oberto the Anti-Rebound, Old Man Kurt, Ian "The Never Ending and Oft Injured Prospect" Mahimni and Matt "I Think I Can" Bonner.
Your point is well taken. Some of the existing Western Conference frontlines have gotten better. Blazers (Oden), Suns (Lopez), Fakers (Bynum). Meanwhile the Spurs are getting diminished performances from a frontline of supporting players, who were only average at best, around Duncan last season.
this is more evident than ever. without another interior presence, other teams can double duncan and force him to pass it out to the perimeter. then the defense just needs to rotate enough for the ball to land in the hands of bonner, bowen, or finley. the opposing team will force those three players to beat them. spurs have good three point shooters in mason and ginobili but extremely all or nothing streaky shooters in finley, bonner, and bowen. when guards can't score at the rim due to a strong interior defense, the problem is even worse.
Ask Raptor fans how it worked out with Bonner as their starting center. Better yet- ask Chris Bosh what he thought of it.
Who said there wasn't?Spurs went from potentially adding two bigs this offseason, to no bigs to date. There is an obvious deficiency on the frontline. Even you should be able to see that. You're the biggest goddamn FO defender on here. Open your eyes.
I never said there wasn't.
My point was your ing like they never did anything, when in fact they've always actively searched for a big next to Duncan and it just hasn't worked out.
Open your eyes clown.
So one missed rotation= horrible defense the whole game.
Great take
Probobly prefered it over a blue lipped 7 foot overpaid white stiff.
I don't think he watches the game - about two weeks ago, he complained about Bonner's rebounding after he grabbed 4 offensive the very night before.
Fact is, Bonner's a good rebounder, at this point, the second best in a Spurs Uni. Get it through your idiotic skulls.
I'm referencing this offseason. I'm certainly not going to entertain your revisionist history, lil' boy. Now go change your diaper.
OMg,,,,,I guess Bonner is the rebounding D front line man we need.
Good lord, His Rotations are still slow and most times always late on interior D.
He physically cant hand with most centers or PF's. He is only useful versus small soft big men. What games are you watching?
+1
You never hear him when Fab plays alot, even though Bonner 3x as efficient as any big not numbered 21 right now. He deserves to start.
heh, I misread the le as Bonner earns start, then loses his arm
Hmm, yet he's the 2nd best big on the team right now. He can grab his share of boards AND score. Fab can't do either, and KT(when he's back) will only be able to D and rebound. Fab can pass... oh yeah, he can get 60% on WIDE OPEN 1 FT AWAY LAYUPS!!! Of which he is curently below 50%. Not saying bonner is awesome, but because of McDyess not wanting to be anywhere else, the Scola debacle, Ian constantly ing up one of his ankles, and the rookie pay anally raping the Spurs when it came to Splitter, he's the best they got to back Duncan. Oh yeah, and Gist. That was almost as bad as Scola. If he isn't 4x as good after his seasoning in Italy, and bumps KT AND Fab out of the rotation, I will go on a rampage, GTA syle. But I'll only kill guys named Jaque, Kurt, Fabricio, Finley, and Buford.
EDIT: Damn, I'm so worked up right now I want to go kick a dog, a la mystar.
You are missing the point. At a time in the game when we needed it the most he failed and wound up back on the pine. One missed rotation late in the game=potentially nullifying anything good you have done.So one missed rotation= horrible defense the whole game.
Great take
He's actually better than some of the more athletic players in the L because he has something called Heart and Hustle. Which you have zero gauge for apparently.
Even someone who only goes off the box score (like you) can see he's definitely contributing in the rebounding department, minimum. example: those 9 boards he grabbed last night.
His rotations have been phenomenal lately, and if you haven't noticed, the other spurs big men are doing 2-3x worse. Again I wonder if you have watched a single game in the last 10.Good lord, His Rotations are still slow and most times always late on interior D.
He physically cant hand with most centers or PF's. He is only useful versus small soft big men. What games are you watching?
Bonner is playing better man defense than I've seen most players in the L. His screen and roll D has been especially notable - the hardest D for a big man to succeed at.
To say different, you'd have to have not watched any games. I mean, its really that simple.
Last edited by z0sa; 12-03-2008 at 06:16 PM.
Timvp's very own gamethoughts.
Let me continue to say, Bonner's not perfect, and he ain't the athletic center we've been needing since DRob called it a day so long ago now. He's a complimentary player, who will make people pay with his shooting, while not being a (total) defensive liability on the other end. He won't be blocking 3 shots a game any time soon, so why expect something like it from him?
I don't think he's the be all end all, but I really like the role he fulfills on this team. I just don't understand who you think could succeed better as a replacement. You really think just anyone's going to be better?
Last edited by z0sa; 12-03-2008 at 06:22 PM.
He wound up on the pine because they went to 4 guards and one big.
Fine then kiddo.
Who was available that they should've traded for or signed?
Names please.
I'd hold out hope for a second low-post option if I thought Pop would ever utilize one. He's had some players with low post games over the years and almost never went to them. Especially on this team with the option of running pick-and-rolls with Manu and TP, Pop isn't going to forgo that unless the second post up option was Hakeem.
What game was this? Against the Rockets, he didn't get to play in the fourth. Against the Pistons, he was taken out of the game because the Pistons went small.
Duncan and KT are both vastly superior rebounders. Bonner hadn't been rebounding well lately until last night.
Hopefully he can become a good rebounder because then he could possibly be the solution as the starting bigman next to Duncan. Oberto wasn't doing enough, KT is too slow and Mahinmi is apparently too fragile.
Not from what I saw. I saw him miss the rotation and the man he was supposed to cover score. He was taken out of the game immediately after that. But interpret it how you like...
I agree ... but KT didn't even see the floor last night. "At this point, Bonner is the second best rebounder in a spurs uni."Duncan and KT are both vastly superior rebounders. Bonner hadn't been rebounding well lately until last night.
I think he has the ability to average 7-8 boards a game (I think he could average 10 if he consistently played 32 mins a night - but thats probably me just being me). However, don't call me blind - I remember the horrible posterizing Nene gave him last Nuggets contest. I still think he's more than solid on the boards.Hopefully he can become a good rebounder because then he could possibly be the solution as the starting bigman next to Duncan. Oberto wasn't doing enough, KT is too slow and Mahinmi is apparently too fragile.
Knowing a little how Ian works, he should be nearly devastated by all these injuries. I hope he will keep the morale and catch a break.
And people trashing him.
Does KT still has a hamstring problem? It could be why he looks even slower this year. Is Pop limiting his court time like he did for Horry, for the run after the all-star game?
We can't help it. He screws up one ankle, starts to rehab, then rolls the other one. He needs to prove something, ANYTHING. I think it would have been best for Pop to throw him in the fire last year, and given him 15 minutes a game, no less, and more if he played better. Idk, hopefully by New Years he makes us all eat our words, but right now he has a huge target on his chest. Don't worry, I still believe... in him getting serious minutes by February. I've lowered my standards ALOT, hope he can make them now.Knowing a little how Ian works, he should be nearly devastated by all these injuries. I hope he will keep the morale and catch a break.
And people trashing him.
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