14 million and he sucks? Sorry guys, he's gonna be a Laker for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggggggggg time.
You under-rate the power of a dunk. Dunks get the team motivated and fires up the crowd. Especially when it's from a munchkin like Farmar.
Fine by me, act like a little when somebody disagrees with you.OK now I know not to take any of your posts seriously anymore.
I don't agree. If he can't be relied upon, why is he playing 4th quarter minutes? Phil relies upon him because he usually delivers. And as far as I know, Odom's ok with his role leading the bench.LO is what he is, an inconsistent and mentally weak player who makes bone-headed plays all the time. He can't be relied upon in the clutch IMHO and does not deserve to take away minutes from Bynum. If he cannot be happy with his role as a bench player then he needs to be traded. No more appeasing Odom, either accept that you aren't good enough to start on this team or get the out of here.
And as I said, Odom's been GREAT prior to this road trip. He ain't going to get traded and doesn't deserve to get traded for 2 bad games and 1 mediocre game.
As for taking away minutes from Bynum, it's because of Phil, not Odom. Phil, for whatever reason, doesn't want to play Bynum in crunch-time. He's the coach and I assume he knows what he's doing.
Oh you didn't know? Farmar can dunk, therefore Hinrich>Farmar. Nevermind Kaptain Kirk's defense and ability to stretch the court and run the show.
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I wish the Laker's had the Spurs personnel sometimes. These guys know their god damn role, don't whine about minutes, and give you consistent effort every night. That's what it takes to win championships.
For all the talent this Laker team has, I'm still not sold that they are ready to win it all. It might take another year of losing for them to finally understand the dedication, sacrifice, and consistent effort that it takes to win a le.
Allanon, nothing personal. Odom is what he is in my eyes, an inconsistent player who does not give maximal effort every night. Kobe may have an off shooting night, but he goes out there and competes 100% every game and that's why people respect. Odom does not share that love because his own coach is questioning his effort 18 games into the season. Do you know how pathetic that is, to have your own coach questioning your effort 18 games in when you're on a championship team? I would be flat out embarrassed.
I'm going to be sick if Lakers get a quality player by trading Odom.
Enough Lakers.
Seriously man, we don't have any of that ( ing about minutes, talking back to coaches, crying to media) here!
Seriously this Laker team is easily the best on paper.
Mentality wise, that's another thing.
Easily?
Better than the Celtics? The Cavs? The Pistons? The Spurs? The Suns? The Mavs? The Rockets?
I don't think so.
They are a well-balanced and complete team, but other than Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson they are still not consistently dominant. Fisher, Farmar, Radmanovic, and Vujacic are crapshoots, Ariza's much (and very recently) improved, Odom's a flake, Gasol's easily intimidated, and Bynum is a work in progress.
And despite all of that they are 16-2, and should be 17-1 had it not been for Phil Jackson and his idiotic 4th quarter rotations that he introduced in the 3 game road trip (i.e. putting Bynum on the bench during the last 7 minutes of each game). I don't think i ever envisioned myself complaining about a 16-2 start.
The problem with evaluating the Lakers right now is that Phil Jackson is still evaluating this team. He's throwing different guys into the fire each night to see who responds and who he can trust. If this means he loses a few games then so be it. He doesn't really care. His approach to the regular season is very different from most NBA coaches.
Before I get into discussion about this nonsense; look at the effiency rating, THREE of our players in the top 30.
Now to your quote.
The Suns?
Rofl they have no depth what so ever, your comparing the suns roster to L.A.? wow
Celtics? Losing Posey hurt a lot, Lakers roster are much more talented; although Boston has a killer instinct L.A. has yet to embed in there minds.
Pistons? No. Lakers starting lineup is so filled, they have to put Lamar Odom arguably a top 10 PF when he's playing to his potential on the bench.
Rockets? Yeah, two starters who haven't even past the 1st rd + a headache of a player whose already giving the fans fits with his horrible shot selection.
Cavs?
Let's see, if Lamar would actually get his head on the game, our 4th best player would be their 2nd best player.
Any more?
Like I said Lakers have the best team on paper - anyone with a sane mind can see that; that doesn't mean they're the best NBA team right now, talent can get you so far.
Utah Jazz
PG: Knight, Price
SG:Korver
SF: AK, Harpring
PF: Millsap
C: Koufos- who is better than Mihm anyways
I don't know about that. The way the Lakers are playing now... They couldn't beat the Celts or the Cavs. Their defense has gone from very good to a in joke in the last 2 weeks. We've just morphed into the 06/07 PHX Suns.
Rename thread to Trade Point guard?
Nah ODOM needs ta GO!
Nice game tonight odumb. Now en hard is it to hold a en rebound?
you dumb piece of , you should be selling oranges on street corners, not playing in the nba, you ugly .
I would trade Diaw for him in an instant.
if i were lamar odom i would want a trade too. with the development of ariza at SF and gasol moviing to PF, odom is not going to get a lot of playing time. this is a contract year for him and he's averaging career lows in a lot of categories including minutes played. if i were him, i would be kind of pissed because lakers aren't showing off his talent for future contracts. it's clear he no longer fits with the system and should be moved to another team where he starts. he's just rotting away on the lakers.
From the laker forum, someone summarizes odumb's game moves:
1. The Odometer pass - Typically far down the court - many times two handed and always far beyond the reach of the intended Laker.
2. The Ode to Long Striding - Typically a drive the center of the Lane with no lateral movement and the Super Long Odom strides that give the defender plenty of time to set up in the Lane and draw a charging foul.
3. The O What the was that - Usually a crazy attempt at something like a pass in heavy traffic where you are left astonished that someone would even try it.
4. The O lets give it back - Always happens after a nice defensive stand and somehow someway results in our hero giving the ball back to the opponent right after a tough defensive stand
5. The O NO - This is always a 15-20 Ft Jumper shot early in the shot clock with no attempt whatsoever to play inside out. A clanging jumper that always results in a long rebound and a quick fastbreak bucket for the other team
6. Finally the O'Dumb- These don't happen every night but when he pulls these off they definitely take the cake. For the O'Dumb Oscar this year I nominate the pass to Sasha while he was standing in front of the bench in his warmups.
give him a break, hes just high.
What we are forgetting here is Luol Deng. Deng is already their high paid swing man whom i'd rather have over Odom any day of the week.
Odom can't add interior defense or much of a consistent will to score inside so he can't help there. Nor can he help on the perimeter because he'd take Deng's minutes.
Imagine how soft a Noah, Odom frontcourt would be. Or a Odom Thomas frontcourt.
Aside from that, they have Nocioni as well. He isn't getting minutes as it is so they'd be jammed at the three. Plus Nocioni does alot of the same things Odom does except he's tougher. Sure odom is more athletic, but come on, i'd take Noc over Odom despite his obvious talent especially seeing as how you have Deng.
The Bulls need a two guard and a legit big, neither of those are Lamar Odom. If Ben Gordon is serving as the two, they need a big post scoring presence more so then a two as of now. You can't punch the ball into Odom eleven times a game, so this makes no sense for me.
Oh yeah, and Farmar?
I'd much rather sit on a disgruntled Hinrich who wants to play hard and showcase himself to potential suitors.
If I were the Bulls i'd be looking into Kaman.
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